NewStats: 3,265,303 , 8,186,310 topics. Date: Saturday, 14 June 2025 at 10:45 AM 5x4a6e

missjekyll:


It is that simple. Brexit kicked and still kicking your butt. If the UK didn't have access to immigration, they would be further down the pan than they are at the moment. Who can survive losing 4% of their GDP? Even the US couldn't not to talk of the " sick man of Europe"

Immigration is desirable for every country. It's the type and levels of immigration that is usually the focus of debate. Mass immigration does not automatically equal massive increases in GDP, particularly GDP per capita, as the UK and others have seen.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14233573/Assads-critically-ill-wife-barred-returning-Britain-cancer-treatment-port-expired.html

"Lucky" for Britain that her port has expired. Would have been trickier if she possessed a valid British port and got on a plane to come over.

Goodenoch:


As usual. Same as with the riots here in the UK. I'm sure things are becoming clearer to Vivek and others like him.

That Vivek essay hey omo if it’s the uk the riots will start immediately. As far as they are concerned who the hell is Vivek to tell them what American culture should look like.

Goodenoch:


As usual. Same as with the riots here in the UK. I'm sure things are becoming clearer to Vivek and others like him.

This is where critical mass becomes important. They now chorus he's Indian and America is for European migrants. Just typing his name in the search bar brings up alot of abuse.

I wonder how many here actually think Vivek was saying the inconvenient truth.
Hope Kemi is learning- for the inevitable day she's forced to say the 'truth'

Hi All
Has anyone been to Jamaica for holidays
Can you give more info, how safe is it.
I was looking through flights and I see stopover at Miami. Will that require a USA visa?
I am planning for next summer.

If anyone has a cheaper option but not Europe I will be willing to change my destination.

Thank you.

Is Starmer running out of ideas or simply seeking varied views? Time would tell.

In addition to regulators (which can manytimes stifle rapid growth), his government needs to send similar letters to independent think-thanks and businesses who are drivers of this growth.

Already home builders are telling him what they need to deliver his 1.5m homes. Imagine the impact of 1.5m new homes in 5 yrs. All the salaries paid to build, council taxes an land, levies on construction, company tax, and most importantly the housing and wealth thatd be generated for would-be occupiers.

We know how the last conservative government engineered growth starting from liberalising certain regulations and selling post-graduate education internationally. Kier is still enjoying some of the dividends of such moves but he needs to work harder.

jedisco:


This is where critical mass becomes important. They now chorus he's Indian and America is for European migrants. Just typing his name in the search bar brings up alot of abuse.

I wonder how many here actually think Vivek was saying the inconvenient truth.
Hope Kemi is learning- for the inevitable day she's forced to say the 'truth'

what he said made me Ben Carson's book; 'Gifted Hands' where he said that Michael Jordan's picture on a popular brand product is becoming more popular as a model to younger genrations than an academic or a successful professor. Just like Vivek Ben Carson is another ardent follower of Trump.

jedisco:


This is where critical mass becomes important. They now chorus he's Indian and America is for European migrants. Just typing his name in the search bar brings up alot of abuse.

I wonder how many here actually think Vivek was saying the inconvenient truth.
Hope Kemi is learning- for the inevitable day she's forced to say the 'truth'

I’m sure she is too. It doesn’t matter though. She eventually will, sooner or later.

Vivek and co participated in the denigration of migrants in the name of “objectivity” and “speaking hard truths”, thinking their own status would protect them.

Now it’s objectively clear that it won’t because the arguments about economics and whatnot were never the real issue driving anti-immigration movement (one guess as to what it was 😄), and what they took for allyship with the MAGA crowd was actually just them being tolerated and used.

The hard truth is that no matter how highly skilled you are, when the chips are down and immigrants are being attacked, physically in England or digitally on Twitter, you’ll be lumped in with the “bum-wipers” and “low skilled” people.

The hilarious thing for me is thinking about how Vivek and co must feel, knowing they cannot complain and call the abuse they are receiving for what it is because they’ve pushed the narrative that anyone who ho calls racism out is “woke”. Imagine seeing like Laura Looney that they were out campaigning with just a few weeks ago saying those things about him and his country (because according to MAGAs India is his real country despite being a US citizen by birth).

missjekyll:


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I like that this is a very public roforofo fight. For the first time, the racists are being brought face to face with the truth namely Immigration is beneficial and indispensable to growth. Hopefully their counterparts over here are listening.

I m going back to reddit leopardeatingfaces thread.

Hehe... Trump has got what he wanted. MAGAs are still in processing mode. I just hope he doesn't do a Boris Johnson/Rishi on MAGAs cos they may not have a Reform to run too


President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he s immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times.

Goodenoch:


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Vivek and co participated in the denigration of migrants in the name of “objectivity” and “speaking hard truths”, thinking their own status would protect them.

I wish Kemi well- her own ers are still enduring a B-Jo induced post-Brexit PTSD. She would do well to be guarded in her statements as British politics is much more unforgiving.

For Vivek, its quite sad how his base who hailed him for 'speaking the truth' are now debasing him. Unlike Elon who is threatening war, he can't even take it up to them. He's rather deleting posts.

Elon has already started curtailing some on Twitter. They should migrate to Truth Social.

You penultimate paragraph is the reason why we need to stop caring about somethings folks think . Nobody wants us here. We're here because we're needed. Its also the reason why I'm unapologetic about legal migration- each should do as they see fit.

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jedisco:


This is where critical mass becomes important. They now chorus he's Indian and America is for European migrants. Just typing his name in the search bar brings up alot of abuse.

I wonder how many here actually think Vivek was saying the inconvenient truth.
Hope Kemi is learning- for the inevitable day she's forced to say the 'truth'

Have you also typed in Musk's name to see how much abuse he is receiving?

It's not a black/Indian issue - this is a fight of the Magas against anyone who dares to speak against "Great America".

Both Musk and Vivek are speaking out specifically in favour of very highly skilled immigration. Trump has waded in to the H1B visa programme (despite scaling it back when he was president last time) which is currently capped at about 80k a year, so it's a very small proportion of visas they are discussing arguing, and it appears that Trump is still on track to appoint Musk and Vivek as co heads of DOGE.

jedisco:


I wish Kemi well- her own ers are still enduring a B-Jo induced post-Brexit PTSD. She would do well to be guarded in her statements as British politics is much more unforgiven

For Vivek, its quite sad how his base who hailed him for 'speaking the truth' are now debasing him. Unlike Elon who is threatening war, he can't even take it up to them. He's rather deleting posts.

Elon has already started curtailing some on Twitter. They should migrate to Truth Social.

You penultimate paragraph is the reason why we need to stop caring about somethings folks think . Nobody wants us here. We're here because we're needed. Its also the reason why I'm unapologetic about legal migration- each should do as they see fit.

😂 so much for ‘You’re now the media’ and all the ‘protection of free speech’ partygoers. I have always said all those free speech jargons is smooth to talk when the narrative is on your side. The moment it turns against you it will be your turn to go against free speech itself. Good luck to bro Elon o!

Goodenoch:


I’m sure she is too. It doesn’t matter though. She eventually will, sooner or later.

Vivek and co participated in the denigration of migrants in the name of “objectivity” and “speaking hard truths”, thinking their own status would protect them.

Now it’s objectively clear that it won’t because the arguments about economics and whatnot were never the real issue driving anti-immigration movement (one guess as to what it was 😄), and what they took for allyship with the MAGA crowd was actually just them being tolerated and used.

The hard truth is that no matter how highly skilled you are, when the chips are down and immigrants are being attacked, physically in England or digitally on Twitter, you’ll be lumped in with the “bum-wipers” and “low skilled” people.

The hilarious thing for me is thinking about how Vivek and co must feel, knowing they cannot complain and call the abuse they are receiving for what it is because they’ve pushed the narrative that anyone who ho calls racism out is “woke”. Imagine seeing like Laura Looney that they were out campaigning with just a few weeks ago saying those things about him and his country (because according to MAGAs India is his real country despite being a US citizen by birth).

Wishful thinking but I highly doubt that anyone could lump in Elon Musk and Vivek, both multimillionaires/billionaires, and Vivek a degree holder from Yale and Harvard, in the same category as "low skilled" immigrant labour. Especially when their president has endorsed both because he "likes smart people around him" and well, because they're extremely successful businessmen.

Gift7428:
Hi All
Has anyone been to Jamaica for holidays
Can you give more info, how safe is it.
I was looking through flights and I see stopover at Miami. Will that require a USA visa?
I am planning for next summer.

If anyone has a cheaper option but not Europe I will be willing to change my destination.

Thank you.

It's generally safe if you plan to stay within the tourist resort, but if you plan to go sight seeing further afield you need to be careful.

What region/parish are you looking at and I can come back with more specific information.

Zahra29:


Wishful thinking but I highly doubt that anyone could lump in Elon Musk and Vivek, both multimillionaires/billionaires, and Vivek a degree holder from Yale and Harvard, in the same category as "low skilled" immigrant labour. Especially when their president has endorsed both because he "likes smart people around him" and well, because they're extremely successful businessmen.

Not Musk.

Vivek is who I was talking about. That was clear. It should also have been clear why it's only him getting attacked on the basis of his immigrant background, and not Musk.

As to whether it's wishful thinking, you clearly haven't read what Laura Loomer and other Trump-ettes have been saying to and about him and similarly highly qualified people like him from India in the past few days.

How long can an indefinite leave to remain visa holder stay outside of the uk for ?

Goodenoch:


Not Musk.

Vivek is who I was talking about. That was clear. It should also have been clear why it's only him getting attacked on the basis of his immigrant background, and not Musk.

As to whether it's wishful thinking, you clearly haven't read what Laura Loomer and other Trump-ettes have been saying to and about him and similarly highly qualified people like him from India in the past few days.

Musk is also being attacked based on his SA immigrant background. He might be white but people have conveniently ed that he "wasn't born here".

Both Musk and Vivek said the same thing in different ways. Vivek's post has drawn more ire because he openly excoriated American culture while Musk's posts were more emollient in clarifying that he was ing visas for the top global engineering talent that would help make keep America great.

lavida001:
How long can an indefinite leave to remain visa holder stay outside of the uk for ?

2 years

@Zahra29

Any idea

Kromium:
Yes, expiry is 9th January

I applied for the Spousal Visa on October 21st and concluded my biometrics November 15th.

However, couple of days after biometrics i received an email stating i will receive on or before December 15th.

On 10th December, i received an email from ([email protected]) i wouldnt be able to receive a within the standard 8 weeks.

The first and second email comes off as automated emails as the timeline aligns with my initial online submission. The 8 weeks considered as timeline for application is after biometrics right or initial online application submission.

@Zahra29

jedisco:
Another banger!

Starmer should listen to those who'd build his 1.5m houses - they need more workers

It's easy to compare and contrast migration policy across the west and also guestimate where one nation could be headed by looking at others.
Canada aimed to build several million homes by 2030 and had to open a special draw for tradesmen. Is UK looking to follow suit?

https://archive.is/1YFCj
https://archive.is/ERUud

How are labour going to raise capital to build these houses, don’t we have 20 billion black hole anymore?

Thank you Zara
I am looking at Montego Bay and Negril.

Zahra29:


It's generally safe if you plan to stay within the tourist resort, but if you plan to go sight seeing further afield you need to be careful.

What region/parish are you looking at and I can come back with more specific information.

Goodenoch:


I’m sure she is too. It doesn’t matter though. She eventually will, sooner or later.

Vivek and co participated in the denigration of migrants in the name of “objectivity” and “speaking hard truths”, thinking their own status would protect them.

Now it’s objectively clear that it won’t because the arguments about economics and whatnot were never the real issue driving anti-immigration movement (one guess as to what it was 😄), and what they took for allyship with the MAGA crowd was actually just them being tolerated and used.

The hard truth is that no matter how highly skilled you are, when the chips are down and immigrants are being attacked, physically in England or digitally on Twitter, you’ll be lumped in with the “bum-wipers” and “low skilled” people.

The hilarious thing for me is thinking about how Vivek and co must feel, knowing they cannot complain and call the abuse they are receiving for what it is because they’ve pushed the narrative that anyone who ho calls racism out is “woke”. Imagine seeing like Laura Looney that they were out campaigning with just a few weeks ago saying those things about him and his country (because according to MAGAs India is his real country despite being a US citizen by birth).

That’s why I keep advocating for us to force and revive Nigeria and Africa. Even with your ILR you will be summed up with the rest of your kind.

Zahra29:


Immigration is desirable for every country. It's the type and levels of immigration that is usually the focus of debate. Mass immigration does not automatically equal massive increases in GDP, particularly GDP per capita, as the UK and others have seen.

"Mass immigration" what does that even mean?
780k in year just gone but still oodles of vacancies everywhere.
Who will build 300k houses per year? Run theatres pretty much 7 days a week to clear backlog?

Even if everybody out of work today were to train as builders and hospital staff,it ll take a few years to train them up? Who will do the jobs in the meantime? People from overseas !

I m off to fan the flames of the maga civil war.
I want it to sink in well well. We need the heck out of immigrants. Plans need people to carry them out

missjekyll:


"Mass immigration" what does that even mean?
780k in year just gone but still oodles of vacancies everywhere.
Who will build 300k houses per year? Run theatres pretty much 7 days a week to clear backlog?

Even if everybody out of work today were to train as builders and hospital staff,it ll take a few years to train them up? Who will do the jobs in the meantime? People from overseas !

I m off to fan the flames of the maga civil war.
I want it to sink in well well. We need the heck out of immigrants. Plans need people to carry them out

White folks are thesame in uk and America. You don’t want to work, your government brought in people that wants to do the work, you still dey complain say de want to replace you. Has anyone got a link to the great replacement paper they keep hollering about?

lavida001:


How are labour going to raise capital to build these houses, don’t we have 20 billion black hole anymore?

There is still a black hole but the government is not building these houses directly.

The government is making it easier for building companies by setting mandatory targets for counties,they have targeted areas with very high housing demand and thus higher house prices(these newbuilds will be more affordable and energy efficient), rewriting the planning laws to circumvent nimbies ( Not in my backyard people) who usually oppose building for often selfish nonsensical reasons.

These companies will employ a lot of staff and buy materials for these. The staff ll spend their salaries paying tax as they do, tax ll be paid on the materials and services. Voila ,growth!

I m just perking up my ears for the increase in visas for builders. I have a couple of able-bodied relatives in Nigeria who ll be delighted to help.

missjekyll:


There is still a black hole but the government is not building these houses directly.

The government is making it easier for building companies by setting mandatory targets for counties,they have targeted areas with very high housing demand and thus higher house prices(these newbuilds will be more affordable and energy efficient), rewriting the planning laws to circumvent nimbies ( Not in my backyard people) who usually oppose building for often selfish nonsensical reasons.

These companies will employ a lot of staff and buy materials for these. The staff ll spend their salaries paying tax as they do, tax ll be paid on the materials and services. Voila ,growth!

I m just perking up my ears for the increase in visas for builders. I have a couple of able-bodied relatives in Nigeria who ll be delighted to help.

You did not answer my question.

How will they fund building of 1.5 million homes?
Another loan or increase tax ?

lavida001:


You did not answer my question.

How will they fund building of 1.5 million homes?
Another loan or increase tax ?

I have answered you. The government revamps planning regulations which doesn't require funds,building companies stump up the cash and build the houses.

Everybody wins except the nimbies

Lolllllll

Twitter has become too toxic for even Elon Musk. E never jam sef...they ll shred him like salad.

Hope he doesn't come to bluesky where we are enjoying civil intellectual discussions. He is welcome to his gremlins

Goke7:


😂 so much for ‘You’re now the media’ and all the ‘protection of free speech’ partygoers. I have always said all those free speech jargons is smooth to talk when the narrative is on your side. The moment it turns against you it will be your turn to go against free speech itself. Good luck to bro Elon o!

Hehe.. Where were MAGAs when he spent billions to buy Twitter and gave Trump a platform after he had been culled from other major media platforms?

President Musk is now threatening to excommunicate the hardcore MAGAs from the republican party. I wish him luck in his war

I’m looking to apply for a credit card and would appreciate your advice on which one might be the best fit for me. I’ve been living in the UK for two years.

jedisco:


Hehe.. Where were MAGAs when he spent billions to buy Twitter and gave Trump a platform after he had been culled from other major media platforms?

President Musk is now threatening to excommunicate the hardcore MAGAs from the republican party. I wish him luck in his war

January 20 is not even here, na bolekaja things don start 😂 gbas gbos left right and centre, omo I need to maintain steady supply of popcorn for all the seasons and episodes for the next four years. Happy viewing bro.