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TenQ:

As if I was the one who translated the Arabic script.

The differences are highlighted in RED sir!


It's so clear even the blind will see them: Didn't you see the words highlighted in RED?

Pardon my missing that.

We will discuss soon. Let's tidy up and properly end the thread.

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Ohyoudidnt:


Pardon my missing that.

We will discuss soon. Let's tidy up and properly end the thread.

Okay!

TenQ:
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Pardon the omission.

Let's tidy up and properly end the other thread.

Ohyoudidnt:


Your observation is noted though you pick your own example to illustrate perhaps you could have made an exact reference.

Not to engage in futility I ask what it means when the Jews mentioned lighter punishment and cover the text in the Torah saying the punishment due to the fornicator according to the Torah?

It is called concealment of the law.

Meaning that the written law was properly stated but the full intent was undisclosed to those without the book.

Even you agree that they covered the text of the Torah and NOT that they rewrote their Torah.

We can in like manner after this compare the Hafs Qur'an with the Warsh Qur'an.





You will then conclude that Islamic scholars have told lies all along that the Qur'an was perfectly preserved even up to the diacritical marks

After this, let any Muslim come to say that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved!


Out of cowardice, they must keep quiet and repeat falsehood to themselves until it feels real

I will soon post the difference between Warsh and Hafs Qur'an .


It's not a surprise that Muslims cannot say a word against what is glaring

TenQ:
I will soon post the difference between Warsh and Hafs Qur'an .


It's not a surprise that Muslims cannot say a word against what is glaring

Why is Islam so full of lies?

TenQ:

Why is Islam so full of lies?

Is "Satan not a liar and the father of it?"

FxMasterz:


Is "Satan not a liar and the father of it?"

Islam is the only religion based purely on the foundation of lies and deception.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mohammed himself was a fictional creation.

See how they keep quiet?

The translation was done by experts from renowned Universities and so, it is difficult for them to use their normal narrative that it doesn't say what it says!

Even if one doesn't know one word of Arabic, the verses at least show that the Sanaa Qur'an and the standard Hafs Qur'an are different.


But knowing Muslims, they will still argue that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved up to the diacritical marks.
SMH!

TenQ:

Islam is the only religion based purely on the foundation of lies and deception.

I wouldn't be surprised if Mohammed himself was a fictional creation.

See how they keep quiet?

The translation was done by experts from renowned Universities and so, it is difficult for them to use their normal narrative that it doesn't say what it says!

Even if one doesn't know one word of Arabic, the verses at least show that the Sanaa Qur'an and the standard Hafs Qur'an are different.


But knowing Muslims, they will still argue that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved up to the diacritical marks.
SMH!

This people have been brainwashed right from a very tender age. It's very hard to remove the Islam virus except by the Work of the Holy Ghost. Even if Mohammed should appear to them now to tell them that Islam was founded on lies, they will still not believe. Brainwashing is a very potent tool for putting the mind into captivity. Islam knows this, that's why they always catch them young.

FxMasterz:


This people have been brainwashed right from a very tender age. It very hard to remove the Islam virus except y the Work of the Holy Ghost. Even if Mohammed should appear to them now to tell them that Islam was founded on lies, they will still not believe. Brainwashing is a very potent tool for putting the mind into captivity. Islam knows this, that's why they always catch them young.

It seems Islam started as an offshoot of a Christian gnostic cult and transformed into a political tool with their leader given a new spiritual identity based on a mixture of his experiences and fake scripture probably based on another book.

It is a wonder that most of the early scholarly works on Islam we're not from Mecca or Medina but from far places up north like Baghdad, Syria, Yemen, Iran etc

Of course, a satanic religion with the sole purpose of preventing salvation through Christ.

How the Sanaa manuscripts were discovered



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M544DtdLD9Q?si=1gNCxzm1g0QdWv0-

I shall open a new thread to show the Differences between the two most popular Arabic Qurans in the world.
The Hafs Quran and the Warsh Qurans

Muslims hate the truth about their religion with a strong vehement ion. They will rather hold on to their self deceit and illusions that the Quran is the perfect, unchanged , unadulterated words of Allah guaranteed to help them over the bridge of sirat over the fires of Hell.

I is not a wonder that they would pretend that they haven't seen these evidences before them

1. Are you seeing these differences for the first time?
2. How come the Sanaa Quran is different from the standard Qurans in many verses?
3. Why did Muslim scholars tell white lies on the preservation of the Quran?
4. Are these differences because of change in DIALECTS or Errors?
5. Which of these two Qurans is the verbatim Word of Allah on the tablet in heaven?



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TenQ:
1. Are you seeing these differences for the first time?
2. How come the Sanaa Quran is different from the standard Qurans in many verses?
3. Why did Muslim scholars tell white lies on the preservation of the Quran?
4. Are these differences because of change in DIALECTS or Errors?
5. Which of these two Qurans is the verbatim Word of Allah on the tablet in heaven?



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Time waster!
Whoever wants to know the truth should watch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcenpnMVVE

FxMasterz:


This people have been brainwashed right from a very tender age. It very hard to remove the Islam virus except y the Work of the Holy Ghost. Even if Mohammed should appear to them now to tell them that Islam was founded on lies, they will still not believe. Brainwashing is a very potent tool for putting the mind into captivity. Islam knows this, that's why they always catch them young.

TenQ:
After this, let any Muslim come to say that the Qur'an is perfectly preserved!


Out of cowardice, they must keep quiet and repeat falsehood to themselves until it feels real

Don't mind them

AntiChristian:


Time waster!
Whoever wants to know the truth should watch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pcenpnMVVE

I wasted my time watching this your video: thinking that it has some solid arguments against the verses poste.

Your videos main point of argument is that the quran is a recitation and therefore the recited Quran is the real and perfect quran

1. If this is true, why did Abubakr order the writing of the Quran as the sahabas were dying due to wars?
2. Is it untrue that even during the lifetime of your prophet that the sahabas were disputing about the recited Quran?
3. Is it untrue that some verses were abrogated in recitation and not in ruling.
4. Is its untrue that some parts of the recited Quran was either forgotten or deliberately removed from the Quran recitation?


They say "The faintest ink is better than the best memory.": Are you saying that only in Islam does this fail to hold as true


Why don't you own up to the lies propagated by your scholars about the perfect preservation of the Quran.

AntiisIam:


Don't mind them

When Islam's foundation is LIES, what else do you expect.

Allah himself is the father of lies: what errands do you think he would be sending his slaves?

TenQ:
The three oldest manuscripts of the Qurans are
1. Birmingham Quran Manuscript
Year Written: c.568 AD – 645 AD
The Birmingham Quran Manuscript contains parts of Surah 18 (Al-Kahf), Surah 19 (Maryam), and Surah 20 (Ta-Ha). The manuscript is comprised of two parchment leaves and includes text from these specific surahs.
2. Tübingen Fragment
Year Written: c. 649 AD – 675 AD
The Tubingen Quran contains portions of 11 surahs.
3. Sana’a Manuscript
Year Written: c.671 AD
The Sana’a manuscript includes fragments and parts of approximately 40 different surahs. The lower text (the original writing that was later erased and overwritten) of the palimpsest contains fragments from several surahs, while the upper text (the later writing) also includes portions of many surahs.
The top Quran was dated to the late 7th century to early 8th century while the lower original text which was overwritten was about 671 AD.

Work on restoration and translation of the lower Quran texts were done in five Universities
Albrecht Noth (University of Hamburg)
Gerd R. Puin (University of Saarland)
Hans-Caspar Graf von Bothmer (University of Saarland)
Behnam Sadeghi (Professor of Islamic Studies at Stanford University) and
Mohsen Goudarzi (PhD student at Harvard University).

A detailed narrative of the history and DIFFERENCES found can be found in the link below:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanaa_manuscript


Muslims have always insisted that there is no iota of differences between the Quran of Mohammed and the current Quran that we currently use (the Hafs Quran)

I am going to present evidences from the TRANSLATION according to the team at Stanford University without saying much on them (afterall, I am not an Arabic scholar)


Question:
1. Which one of the current Quran is the Quran of Allah on the tablet in heaven?
2. How come the Sanaa Quran is different from the standard Qurans in many verses?
3. Why did Muslim scholars tell white lies on the preservation of the Quran?

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Realistically there is the fundamental flaw with your argument. It is not stated anywhere that the Uthmani codec or standardised form of the Quran is the sole form in which the revelation came. The existence of other forms or codices are known.

The Uthmani codex refers to the standardized version of the Quran that was compiled during the caliphate of Uthman ibn Affan, the third caliph of Islam, around 650 CE. This codex is significant because it aimed to unify the various recitations and written forms of the Quran that existed at that time.

While the Uthmani codex became widely accepted and is considered canonical in Sunni Islam, other codices also exist. For example, there are notable variants like those attributed to Ibn Mas’ud and Ubayy ibn Ka’b. These variations often pertain to differences in recitation styles (qira’at) or minor textual differences but do not fundamentally alter the core message or teachings of Islam.

Despite recognizing that other codices exist, all known versions ultimately trace back to a common source—the revelations received by Prophet Muhammad. The differences found among various readings are generally seen as minor and do not detract from their authenticity or from believers’ faith in their divine origin.

The recognition of the Uthmani codex does not imply any deficiency in preserving or maintaining consistency within the Quranic text.

We will discuss the specific variations you have shared in picture form in due course.

We are still not done with the other thread though you rather end it with no less than four questions not addressed. Bare with me as I have explained the absence of adequate time to fully respond to you.

Ohyoudidnt:


Realistically there is the fundamental flaw with your argument. It is not stated anywhere that the Uthmani codec or standardised form of the Quran is the sole form in which the revelation came. The existence of other forms or codices are known.

The Uthmani codex refers to the standardized version of the Quran that was compiled during the caliphate of Uthman ibn Affan, the third caliph of Islam, around 650 CE. This codex is significant because it aimed to unify the various recitations and written forms of the Quran that existed at that time.

While the Uthmani codex became widely accepted and is considered canonical in Sunni Islam, other codices also exist. For example, there are notable variants like those attributed to Ibn Mas’ud and Ubayy ibn Ka’b. These variations often pertain to differences in recitation styles (qira’at) or minor textual differences but do not fundamentally alter the core message or teachings of Islam.

Despite recognizing that other codices exist, all known versions ultimately trace back to a common source—the revelations received by Prophet Muhammad. The differences found among various readings are generally seen as minor and do not detract from their authenticity or from believers’ faith in their divine origin.

The recognition of the Uthmani codex does not imply any deficiency in preserving or maintaining consistency within the Quranic text.

1. Three important codex of the Qur'an have completely disappeared
a. The Codex of Mohammed (collected during his lifetime)
b. The Codex of Abubaker
c. The Codex of Uthman
Note that even these three codex are not Identical to each other
There is no single Qur'an that claimed to be from any of these codex. What we have is the claim of ISNAD according to the RECITATION of some people .

2. There is no ancient manuscript in this world that has been copied extensively that doesn't have errors by scribes BUT you Muslims say that such errors doesn't exist in the Qur'an as the Qur'an is Perfectly Preserved up to it's diacritical marks and there is only One Arabic Qur'an and that the Qur'an we read now is identical to the Qur'an of Mohammed.
*This claims is what I addressed here: That differences occur even with the fragments of the oldest codex of the Qur'an that has been found.

Thus, I asked the Question,
Which of these Qur'an is the Qur'an of Allah which is identical to the copy of the Qur'an in heaven?

3. The issue of the seven dialects the Qur'an was supposed to be recited in is a major problem for Islam as
a. We should find ONLY seven identical Arabic Qur'ans in the whole world, but what we have now exceed 30.
b. There is no single Muslim that can say which of the different Qur'an belong to any particular dialect of Arabic.
Example:
If we assume that the Hafs Qur'an is from the Quraysh, which tribe of the Arabs own the Warsh Qur'an or the Al-Suri Qur'an or the Al-Duri Qur'an or the Qalun Qur'an etc
c. It is a rule that changes in dialects should NEVER change the meaning of the text. This is not true with the Qur'ans in existence.
Examples:
In English Language, Apartment and Flat are two English dialects for a residential building (one is American and the other is British). The use of either does not change the meaning of a text.
Gas and Fuel are also two English dialects for a hydrocarbon fuel used to power cars and motorcycles (one is American and the other is British). The use of either does not change the meaning of a text. Other examples are Motorbikes and Motorcycles etc

You will agree with me that the phrase
"THEY came" and "YOU came" cannot be the same meaning and the difference cannot be due to dialectical differences

Ohyoudidnt:

We will discuss the specific variations you have shared in picture form in due course.

No problems!

Ohyoudidnt:

We are still not done with the other thread though you rather end it with no less than four questions not addressed. Bare with me as I have explained the absence of adequate time to fully respond to you.

It's okay!
Anytime you are ready.

I think this is a proof that the argument of dialects differences is put to rest as a change in dialect should never change the meaning of any text

Here is a discussion with a knowledgeable Muslim on the preservation of the Qur'an.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKVZDZFTFO0?si=yARUXS-bPMqefUmL


It is even too easy to show differences not due to scribal errors within the Qur'ans by removing the vowels. You will still arrive at different Qur'ans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjgzjNwqGWI?si=lyn3twZG4lzmUCU8


Different Qurans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTfzWLKokFs?si=fSdmnoU8q36tCZL1


Why do Muslims now hate Yasir Qahdi for speaking some truth about the Qur'an?

Muslims are brainwashed fanatics...imagine believing Quran fell from heaven
Imagine saying no error or changes has occurred in the Quran yet all of these changes everywhere...una be mumu

NiRfreak:
Muslims are brainwashed fanatics...imagine believing Quran fell from heaven
Imagine saying no error or changes has occurred in the Quran yet all of these changes everywhere...una be mumu

This is because Muslim scholars lie both to the ignorant Muslims and tell different kind of lies to non Muslims.

Islam is based on LIES from beginning to the end.

You can see how they all avoided this thread: they will rather hold on to lies just to defend Islam

ahmedio2017:




Stop deceiving yourself, even your forefathers knew that Quran is only one...

Here are evidence for the differences between the Sanaa Qur'an and your Hafs Qur'an.
Instead of finding out the truth, you prefer a LIE
This behaviour is called self delusion.

Why don't you ask your Imam perhaps he will tell you the truth.


Here I have presented Evidences: not one, not two, not three but several.

God willing, I will post more tomorrow

Only the TRUTH sets free when you choose it over LIES


WHy do Islamic Scholars tell so much blatant lies to defend Islam?