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gohf:


You asked was the first visit of Jesus sufficient, according to christains? The answer is yes.
Why is he coming back to fulfill God's word and save those who obeyed God.

I answered your questions but these were questions I asked you

"Now based on your own view of his mission being interrupted clear to clarify how you came about that understanding? Is it because he left and is coming back?
So can we say that he succeeded his mission before he left, and you could also tell us what his mission from God was?"

Even though you first claimed he did not fail, but now you call it a failed mission. 😏

Don’t twist my words to cover the contradictions in your theology. I never said Jesus (peace be upon him) failed in his mission according to Islam — you are the one who inserted your flawed Christian assumptions into the discussion.

Now let’s dismantle your claim step by step.

You said the first visit of Jesus was sufficient. If that’s the case, then answer plainly: Why is he coming back? You said “to fulfill God’s word” and “save those who obeyed God.” That proves his mission is incomplete, and by your own words, not mine. That’s not sufficiency — that’s unfinished business.

You can’t have it both ways. Either he completed his mission and doesn’t need to return — or he didn’t complete it and must return. Your contradiction exposes the weakness of your doctrine.

Now let me clarify the Islamic view that you’re trying to confuse:
In Islam, Jesus never failed. He was sent to the Children of Israel to confirm the Torah and deliver the Gospel. He fulfilled his mission of calling to Tawheed (monotheism), but his people betrayed him, not God or his mission. Allah raised him before they could harm him, proving that no one has power over God’s chosen prophet. He will return not because he failed, but to complete a divine task that was never part of his original mission: to break the cross, kill the false messiah, and establish justice under Islam.

This is not a correction of a failed mission. It is a victory over the lies made about him, including the claim of divinity and crucifixion — lies your religion is built upon.

So don’t throw around confused questions as if they expose Islam. All they expose is your desperation to defend a theology full of holes.

Now I’ve answered you with clarity. Can you do the same — without hiding behind circular logic and emotional theology?

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gohf:
you say you obey Jesus, the command of Jesus is this love God and love your neighbor as yourself, love your enemies bless and not curse. And of these or which other ones do you call "later theological innovations falsely attributeed to Jesus"?

By the way you avoid many questions, one of which was, what is worship? What does it mean to worship God?

This was how I put the question
why not tell us how God revealed that purpose to the first man, through Jesus and through Muhammad and tell us what does worship God mean, what does it mean to worship God?


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You quote Jesus saying, “Love God and love your neighbor,” as if that statement alone defines the full message of his mission. Let me educate you properly, because your selective quoting doesn't impress anyone who actually understands scripture—yours or mine.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) taught love, mercy, and justice. So did every prophet before him—including Muhammad ﷺ. But what you conveniently leave out is that Jesus also taught obedience to God, strict monotheism, and submission to God's will—not to himself, not to a trinity, not to some fabricated atonement theology cooked up by Paul and the Church centuries later.

So when I refer to “later theological innovations falsely attributed to Jesus,” I’m talking about:

The doctrine of the Trinity (which Jesus never preached),

The idea that Jesus is God or the "Son of God" in a literal divine sense,

The atonement myth that God needed blood to forgive sins.

None of these were taught by Jesus. They were injected by councils, creeds, and corrupt theologians long after he was gone. So don't quote Jesus the Prophet and then sneak in beliefs from Paul the Innovator. That’s intellectual dishonesty.

As for your question about worship, don’t act as if Muslims have no concept of it. In Islam, worship is not just lip service or emotional sentiment. Worship (ʿibādah) means complete submission, obedience, love, reverence, and servitude to Allah alone—in belief, action, and law. It includes prayer, fasting, charity, and moral conduct—but also rejecting all false gods and partners.

You ask how God revealed that purpose to the first man? Through clear tawheed: worship your Creator alone, obey His guidance, avoid sin, and live with ability.

To Adam, God revealed the path of submission and repentance.

To Jesus, God revealed the Injīl, calling Bani Israel back to tawheed.

To Muhammad ﷺ, God revealed the Qur’an—the final, uncorrupted message, universal for all time.

You avoid the real question: if you claim to obey Jesus, then why don’t you worship the same God he worshipped? Jesus prayed to God, submitted to God, called people to God—not to himself.
Yet you worship Jesus and pretend that’s obedience?

That’s not love. That’s shirk. And no amount of sentimental cherry-picking will change that.

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JimRohn:
You quote

When some deliberately act deaf, blind and dumb in order to reject the truth you can really not communicate.

You have done more than enough. Who is to be guided right will be.

gohf:

Quran 16:35 says messengerS 😂😆😂 you are supposed to be honest and know the Quran more than me right?

But what is the mission of messengers but to preach the Clear Message?

And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying],.... A messenger not the messenger 😏

This is what I asked you, "does it mean messengers are sent from every nation, how does this line up with the final messenger when well there are new nations and no more messengers?"

But you change the meaning of the text by patching in Quran 34:28 which calls Muhammad the bringer of the gospel to the world, which agrees with a prophecy that Quran states Jesus made. The issue now is what then is the gospel of Muhammad I have asked the question repeatedly.

None of this verses claim not call Muhammed the last and final prophet.

Is there a verse that says Muhammad is the last and final prophet of Allah and is the greatest as you claim?


I will repeat this question again, what is the good news of Muhammad.

The good news that there is one God is not even news.

The good news is that guidance has come, guidance to what? What is the guidance that there is only one God, how is that guidance that's information.

Or you are specifically telling you that Muhammad was sent as the seal of prophets that you claim means final last and greatest prophet, was to tell the world that there is only one God, and that's the gospel.

You mock verses of the Qur’an with emojis as if ridicule is a substitute for reason. But let’s be clear: your sarcasm only exposes your ignorance, not any flaw in the Qur’an.

You say: “Qur’an 16:35 says messengers 😂😆😂.”
Yes, the verse speaks of messengers. That’s because Allah sent messengers to different nations throughout history, not just one. Qur’an 16:36 clarifies this:

"And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], ‘Worship Allah and avoid Taghut (false gods).’”
That is not a contradiction — it’s a timeline. Many messengers came before Muhammad ﷺ, each to their specific nation. That’s why the Arabic uses "rasūlan" (a messenger) — not the final messenger — because this was describing the pattern before the finality of prophethood.

Now to your desperate question: “Is there a verse that calls Muhammad the last and final prophet?”
Yes. Since you claim to read the Qur’an, read it properly:

“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.” (Qur’an 33:40)

"Khātam an-Nabiyyīn" means the final — not just another in the line. The Arabic term "khātam" means seal, closure, finality, not continuation. Every tafsir from the earliest generations confirms this. So your attempt to act like this isn’t explicit only works on people who don’t know Arabic — or don’t read the Qur’an seriously.

And don’t think you’ve made some groundbreaking point by saying “the Qur’an says he brought a message to the world, so what is his gospel?”
This is a classic Christian projection — trying to force the Qur’anic message into your gospel-shaped box.

Let me break it down:

“And We have not sent you [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to all creation.” (Qur’an 21:107)
“And We have not sent you except comprehensively to mankind…” (Qur’an 34:28)

The Qur’anic “gospel” is not like your Greek "euangelion", full of mythology and crucified gods. The “good news” of Muhammad ﷺ is guidance, light, and a complete way of life — based on the pure Tawḥīd of all prophets, completed and preserved without corruption.

You said: “The good news that there is one God is not even news.”
Only someone drowning in spiritual arrogance would say something that foolish.

When humanity is drowning in idolatry, shirk, man-worship, priesthood, saints, false gods, and systems of oppression — yes, being called back to Tawḥīd is not just news, it is salvation.

The Qur’an didn’t come to amuse philosophers like you. It came to establish:

That Allah is One — no partners, no sons, no intermediaries.

That worship belongs to Him alone — not through saints, not through prophets, not through church hierarchies.

That guidance is not vague emotion but a concrete Shari’ah — prayer, charity, justice, morality, and divine law.

You ask “guidance to what?”
Guidance to the straight path — Sirat al-Mustaqeem — submission to the Creator alone, in every aspect of life.

And before you act like this isn’t enough: the same “one God” message was preached by Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them all). But it was corrupted by those who came after. Muhammad ﷺ came not with “new entertainment,” but with the final preserved truth — clarified, perfected, universal.

So mock all you want, but you’re mocking what you don’t understand. You’re not asking questions — you’re twisting verses, demanding that Islam conform to your Christian frameworks.

But Islam doesn’t revolve around your definitions. It stands on its own — complete, final, and preserved. If you want truth, humble yourself and seek it. If you want games, you’ll only be exposing your own ignorance.

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honesttalk21:


When some deliberately act deaf, blind and dumb in order to reject the truth you can really not communicate.

You have done more than enough. Who is to be guided right will be.

Guidance is indeed in Allah’s hands, but misrepresenting truth while claiming others are deaf or blind is not sincerity—it’s arrogance.

May Allah guide whom He wills—and expose falsehood for what it is.

JimRohn:
Your entire argument collapses under the weight of its own contradictions and ignorance. So let me dismantle your claims piece by piece.

> "According to you the Torah which the Quran mentions several times and which Jesus confirmed is corrupted..."

Yes, and not according to me, but according to the Quran itself. Allah says:
> "So woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, then say, 'This is from Allah,' to trade it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."
[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79]

Who are those who write a book with their hands and say it is from Allah?
Are these people not Abubakar and Uthman?

Did they not write a book each and say it is from Allah?

Where was the Qur'an of Mohammed?



It is a miracle that you disbelieve Allah to believe your own lies.

I challenge you to find just one verse of the Qur'an that says that the Torah or Injeel are corrupted.

Interestingly, Allah says the exact opposite.

JimRohn:

This verse directly condemns human tampering of divine scripture. So your attempt to weaponize Quranic references to the Torah against the Quran only exposes your inability to grasp what you're quoting.

When I tell you that you disbelieve your Allah for the opinion of fake scholars, you will nod your head in disbelief.

Is the original Torah and Injeel the Books of Allah containing his words?

Qur'an 6:115
"And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing."


Please, tell me how the words of Allah failed as humans were able to corrupt Allah's words.

JimRohn:

Yes, the Torah was originally a divine revelation. But no, the current version held by Jews and Christians is not that same original revelation. That’s why the Quran affirms the Torah in its original form, but also criticizes those who altered it.

Tell me why Allah couldn't protect his own books.

Did Allah make a mistake by entrusting the Torah to the Rabbi's for keeping?

Quran 5:44
Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allāh] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allāh, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price [i.e., worldly gain]. And whoever does not judge by what Allāh has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.

JimRohn:

> "Who edited the Quran you are quoting? Was it angels? 😂"

No editing needed. Unlike your corrupted scriptures, the Quran was orally revealed, memorized by thousands, and written down meticulously during the lifetime of the Prophet ﷺ — and then compiled by the Companions under the Caliph Abu Bakr and finalized under Uthman (رضي الله عنهم). So yes, angels brought it, and Allah promised to preserve it Himself:

> "Indeed, We sent down the Dhikr (the Quran), and indeed, We will be its Guardian."
[Surah Al-Hijr 15:9]

So laugh all you want — but you're laughing at Allah’s guarantee, not mine. That’s a war you won’t win.

> "Even the Quran 5:3 you cut out off, doesn't your point that the Quran is self sufficient 🤣🤣"

Unfortunately, the Qur'an is the most corrupt book on earth
Let me show you
a. No Muslim has a copy of the Qur'an of Mohammed and a Tame Sheep ate part of it.
Till today,
-the verse of Rajam was eaten up by the sheep
-the verse of breastfeeding an adult man ten times is missing.
b. Abubakar compiled his own Qur'an afresh with missing verses again.
c. Instead of duplicating Abubakar's Qur'an, Uthman made his own copies adding verse he thought should be added to Abubakar's Qur'an.
d. Ibn Masud has a different Qur'an from Uthmans Qur'an.
e. The Sahabas say that much of the Qur'an is lost
f. Mohammed received 7 Ahruf of the Qur'an. Today, we cannot find just one out of the seven Ahruf. If you know their names show me.
g. Who authorized the reshuffling of the chapters and verses of the Qur'an.

Qur'an 5:13
But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.

Tell me, how the order of the verses in the Qur'an were changed like Qur'an 5:13?

Sorry sir!
Either you were fooled by Islamic scholars or you refuse the truth.

I challenge you on any of these should you desire proofs.

JimRohn:

Clearly you didn’t even read 5:3 properly:

> "This day I have perfected for you your religion, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
[Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:3]

Perfected. Completed. Chosen.
What part of that don’t you understand? When a system is perfected, you don’t need to go backward to corrupted texts for confirmation or guidance. The Quran supersedes all prior scriptures. That’s not my claim — that’s explicit revelation.

I laugh in Swahili!
Can you tell me why Quran 5:3 is not the last verse in the Qur'an either by revelation or by recitation.

If your religion was complete by the revelation of Qur'an 5:3, what was the reason for the later revelation?

Can you see how Illogical the verses of the Qur'an are!

JimRohn:

> "Now you're responding that Muhammad had no knowledge of the previous [books]..."

Exactly. And that’s part of the miracle. The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was unlettered (ummi) — he couldn’t read or write, and he didn’t have access to Jewish or Christian scripture. Yet he brought a book that corrects their errors, exposes their corruptions, and establishes eternal guidance. That’s not “ignorance,” that’s divine revelation.

So, you swallowed this lie by your scholars!?
SMH!
Mohammed can both read and write. If you need evidence, I will shown you from your Hadiths.

An Ummi is not an illiterate person, he is one who is not verses in the scriptures. Just like a Lawyer is said to be a Learned person, so it is with an Ummi. It doesn't mean that the others are illiterates.

Did Allah not define who an Ummi is!? Should I teach you?

Qur'an 2:78
"And among them are Ummiyyun who do not know the Scripture except [empty] wishes."

People who do not know the scripture are the Ummi dear

JimRohn:

> "Does the Quran not refer to the Torah and encourages Muslims to check it for guidance..."

No, the Quran refers to the original revelation, not the mutilated versions preserved by priests and rabbis. You're cherry-picking without context. When the Quran speaks about previous scriptures, it is acknowledging their original divine origin — not affirming the distorted versions in your hands today.

Muslims can tell lies for Africa.
a. Show me just one verse where Allah says he refers to the previous scriptures
b. Please, when Mohammed placed his hands on the Torah and said "I believe in the and the one who sent thee..." Was he telling lies?
c. Why did Allah tell Mohammed to ask the people of the corrupt book if he had issues with the revelations he was having ?

Qur'an 10:94
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about what We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you..."

Is this wisdom or stupidity?

JimRohn:

In fact, the Quran warns us not to be fooled:

> "And indeed, among them is a party who distort the Book with their tongues so that you may think it is from the Book, but it is not from the Book."
[Surah Aal-Imran 3:78]

So when Jesus is said to “confirm the Torah,” it refers to the original revelation, not your modern redacted editions full of contradictions, incest, anthropomorphism, and tribal bias.

In conclusion:

The Quran is self-sufficient and final. It abrogates prior scriptures.

The Torah and Gospel were divine, but no longer exist in their original form.

You appeal to corrupt texts to attack a book you clearly haven't studied.

The Quran speaks with divine clarity. Your argument speaks with desperation and confusion.

So the next time you try to mock the Quran with memes and emojis, bring something stronger than laughter and misquotations. You’re punching up — and it shows.

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You have indeed mocked the Qur'an my dear as a book full of errors and contradictions that makes the wise blush with shame.

Otherwise, tell us
1. Does the sun set in some murky waters?
Allah and your prophet thinks so!
2. Do sperms become babies?
Allah and your prophet thinks so!



If you have questions, Furnish me one at a time as you have have swallowed a LIE of the Al-Makr the best Deceiver!

JimRohn:
You quote Jesus saying, “Love God and love your neighbor,” as if that statement alone defines the full message of his mission. Let me educate you properly, because your selective quoting doesn't impress anyone who actually understands scripture—yours or mine.

Yes, Jesus (peace be upon him) taught love, mercy, and justice. So did every prophet before him—including Muhammad ﷺ. But what you conveniently leave out is that Jesus also taught obedience to God, strict monotheism, and submission to God's will—not to himself, not to a trinity, not to some fabricated atonement theology cooked up by Paul and the Church centuries later.

So when I refer to “later theological innovations falsely attributed to Jesus,” I’m talking about:

The doctrine of the Trinity (which Jesus never preached),

The idea that Jesus is God or the "Son of God" in a literal divine sense,

The atonement myth that God needed blood to forgive sins.

None of these were taught by Jesus. They were injected by councils, creeds, and corrupt theologians long after he was gone. So don't quote Jesus the Prophet and then sneak in beliefs from Paul the Innovator. That’s intellectual dishonesty.

As for your question about worship, don’t act as if Muslims have no concept of it. In Islam, worship is not just lip service or emotional sentiment. Worship (ʿibādah) means complete submission, obedience, love, reverence, and servitude to Allah alone—in belief, action, and law. It includes prayer, fasting, charity, and moral conduct—but also rejecting all false gods and partners.

You ask how God revealed that purpose to the first man? Through clear tawheed: worship your Creator alone, obey His guidance, avoid sin, and live with ability.

To Adam, God revealed the path of submission and repentance.

To Jesus, God revealed the Injīl, calling Bani Israel back to tawheed.

To Muhammad ﷺ, God revealed the Qur’an—the final, uncorrupted message, universal for all time.

You avoid the real question: if you claim to obey Jesus, then why don’t you worship the same God he worshipped? Jesus prayed to God, submitted to God, called people to God—not to himself.
Yet you worship Jesus and pretend that’s obedience?

That’s not love. That’s shirk. And no amount of sentimental cherry-picking will change that.

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Sorry,
How do you know what Jesus preached?
Do you know how Jesus described the Holy Spirit?

What is Trinity according to Allah?
What is Trinity according to Christians?




What is the difference between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Satan?

JimRohn:
Your entire argument collapses under the weight of its own contradictions and ignorance. So let me dismantle your claims piece by piece.

> "According to you the Torah which the Quran mentions several times and which Jesus confirmed is corrupted..."

Yes, and not according to me, but according to the Quran itself. Allah says:

> "So woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, then say, 'This is from Allah,' to trade it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn."
[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79]

This verse directly condemns human tampering of divine scripture. So your attempt to weaponize Quranic references to the Torah against the Quran only exposes your inability to grasp what you're quoting.

Yes, the Torah was originally a divine revelation. But no, the current version held by Jews and Christians is not that same original revelation. That’s why the Quran affirms the Torah in its original form, but also criticizes those who altered it.

you call stating what the Quran wrote as weap. onizing the text 😱 that's another one of your accusations 😁 lol how exactly is that or to you that Quran ing the Torah is weapo.
nizing it agaist the Quran 🤣. That's an interesting information.

So you are saying that ing the Torah means it fights against it's self?

Now should the book be written with their own legs? It speaks woe to those who write the book with their hands or because they write it for money?

Do you even understand what you even quote, please is there another Muslim with way better understanding because this cannot be the true representation of Islam 🤣 😂 🤣 😂

It criticizes those who altered what? But so, What was written? If the Qran does that, does it also provide evidence by stating what was altered?

Lol it doesn't even have the name of God, so was that altered as well or is lah the name?

So the Qran is not the original Torah right but the original Torah was altered, but then the issue is that majority of what is in the Torah is not in it. Now you will claim because the Torah was written by scribes that's why it was altered but the one said with the mouths of men was not altered nor changed 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂 🤣 😂

Which is easier for men, to lie with the mouth or write down a lie which can be corrected after being verified and cross-checked. But you want us to believe that men would say exactly what was told to them without making any mistakes less not even mention lie or alter it?

> "Who edited the Quran you are quoting? Was it angels? 😂"

No editing needed. Unlike your corrupted scriptures, the Quran was orally revealed, memorized by thousands, and written down meticulously during the lifetime of the Prophet ﷺ — and then compiled by the Companions under the Caliph Abu Bakr and finalized under Uthman (رضي الله عنهم). So yes, angels brought it, and Allah promised to preserve it Himself:

> "Indeed, We sent down the Dhikr (the Quran), and indeed, We will be its Guardian."
[Surah Al-Hijr 15:9]

So laugh all you want — but you're laughing at Allah’s guarantee, not mine. That’s a war you won’t win.

so did angels not bring the Torah scriptures, because I don't understand did God not promise to preserve his word but only the Quran. Or did Allah say he didn't promise or didn't preserve his word, and the Torah?

Do you have proof that God did not preserve the Torah?

It's like you are accusing Him for failing to preserve the Torah when you believe he completely preserved the Quran through men.

> "Even the Quran 5:3 you cut out off, doesn't your point that the Quran is self sufficient 🤣🤣"

Clearly you didn’t even read 5:3 properly:

> "This day I have perfected for you your religion, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."
[Surah Al-Ma'idah 5:3]

Perfected. Completed. Chosen.
What part of that don’t you understand? When a system is perfected, you don’t need to go backward to corrupted texts for confirmation or guidance. The Quran supersedes all prior scriptures. That’s not my claim — that’s explicit revelation.

so to you, "I have perfected your religion" means "this Quran is self sufficient" 😏 by the way so what was it perfecting now? The Torah and the gospel?

> "Now you're responding that Muhammad had no knowledge of the previous [books]..."

Exactly. And that’s part of the miracle. The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was unlettered (ummi) — he couldn’t read or write, and he didn’t have access to Jewish or Christian scripture. Yet he brought a book that corrects their errors, exposes their corruptions, and establishes eternal guidance. That’s not “ignorance,” that’s divine revelation.

so that means it is the religion of Muhammad that was being perfected was not the religion of Moses and the Israelites.

Jewish Rabbis have denied that Allah was ever the same God worshipped by Abraham.

There's an Indian religion and some other religions also claim that there is one God.

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Jimrohn, so is the purpose of the Quran is to state that the Torah and gospel no longer exists 😏 or that's your own personal preference. Or you are saying they exist in a different form meaning it's a copy of the original and is still worth reading.


By the way what was the original revelation that Jesus confirmed?

Tell me what is the original and revelation of your so called, "contradictions, incest, anthropomorphism, and tribal bias." And show us the inclusion of such in the Torah objectively without bias.

TenQ:

Who are those who write a book with their hands and say it is from Allah?
Are these people not Abubakar and Uthman?

Did they not write a book each and say it is from Allah?

Where was the Qur'an of Mohammed?



It is a miracle that you disbelieve Allah to believe your own lies.

I challenge you to find just one verse of the Qur'an that says that the Torah or Injeel are corrupted.

Interestingly, Allah says the exact opposite.






When I tell you that you disbelieve your Allah for the opinion of fake scholars, you will nod your head in disbelief.

Is the original Torah and Injeel the Books of Allah containing his words?

Qur'an 6:115
"And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing."


Please, tell me how the words of Allah failed as humans were able to corrupt Allah's words.


Tell me why Allah couldn't protect his own books.

Did Allah make a mistake by entrusting the Torah to the Rabbi's for keeping?

Quran 5:44
Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allāh] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allāh, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price [i.e., worldly gain]. And whoever does not judge by what Allāh has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.




Unfortunately, the Qur'an is the most corrupt book on earth
Let me show you
a. No Muslim has a copy of the Qur'an of Mohammed and a Tame Sheep ate part of it.
Till today,
-the verse of Rajam was eaten up by the sheep
-the verse of breastfeeding an adult man ten times is missing.
b. Abubakar compiled his own Qur'an afresh with missing verses again.
c. Instead of duplicating Abubakar's Qur'an, Uthman made his own copies adding verse he thought should be added to Abubakar's Qur'an.
d. Ibn Masud has a different Qur'an from Uthmans Qur'an.
e. The Sahabas say that much of the Qur'an is lost
f. Mohammed received 7 Ahruf of the Qur'an. Today, we cannot find just one out of the seven Ahruf. If you know their names show me.
g. Who authorized the reshuffling of the chapters and verses of the Qur'an.

Qur'an 5:13
But because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard; they change the words from their (right) places and forget a good part of the message that was sent them, nor wilt thou cease to find them- barring a few - ever bent on (new) deceits: but forgive them, and overlook (their misdeeds): for Allah loveth those who are kind.

Tell me, how the order of the verses in the Qur'an were changed like Qur'an 5:13?

Sorry sir!
Either you were fooled by Islamic scholars or you refuse the truth.

I challenge you on any of these should you desire proofs.


I laugh in Swahili!
Can you tell me why Quran 5:3 is not the last verse in the Qur'an either by revelation or by recitation.

If your religion was complete by the revelation of Qur'an 5:3, what was the reason for the later revelation?

Can you see how Illogical the verses of the Qur'an are!




So, you swallowed this lie by your scholars!?
SMH!
Mohammed can both read and write. If you need evidence, I will shown you from your Hadiths.

An Ummi is not an illiterate person, he is one who is not verses in the scriptures. Just like a Lawyer is said to be a Learned person, so it is with an Ummi. It doesn't mean that the others are illiterates.

Did Allah not define who an Ummi is!? Should I teach you?

Qur'an 2:78
"And among them are Ummiyyun who do not know the Scripture except [empty] wishes."

People who do not know the scripture are the Ummi dear



Muslims can tell lies for Africa.
a. Show me just one verse where Allah says he refers to the previous scriptures
b. Please, when Mohammed placed his hands on the Torah and said "I believe in the and the one who sent thee..." Was he telling lies?
c. Why did Allah tell Mohammed to ask the people of the corrupt book if he had issues with the revelations he was having ?

Qur'an 10:94
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about what We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you..."

Is this wisdom or stupidity?



You have indeed mocked the Qur'an my dear as a book full of errors and contradictions that makes the wise blush with shame.

Otherwise, tell us
1. Does the sun set in some murky waters?
Allah and your prophet thinks so!
2. Do sperms become babies?
Allah and your prophet thinks so!



If you have questions, Furnish me one at a time as you have have swallowed a LIE of the Al-Makr the best Deceiver!

First of all, your entire rant is a confused mess of half-learned missionary memes, twisted Qur’anic quotes, and deliberate lies. So let me fix your delusions — one point at a time — with unapologetic clarity.

❌ “Abu Bakr and Uthman wrote the Qur’an!”

🔨 False. Neither Abu Bakr nor Uthman wrote the Qur’an and claimed it's from Allah. The Qur’an was revealed verbally to the Prophet ﷺ, who had it memorized, written down, and recited in public during his lifetime.

Abu Bakr’s role? Compiling what was already known and preserved — not inventing a book.

Uthman’s role? Standardizing the dialect to preserve unity, not adding verses. No “new book,” no “invention.”

Your logic is like saying people who compiled Shakespeare’s plays are the authors of Macbeth. You sound desperate.

📖 “Where’s the Qur’an of Muhammad?”

You’re holding it — preserved word-for-word, letter-for-letter, by millions of huffaz (memorizers) from the Prophet’s time till today. No other religion on earth can make this claim. Your Bible? Not even close.

🔁 “The Qur’an never says the Torah and Injeel are corrupted!”

Wrong again. You conveniently ignore the very verses that expose your deception. Here's a small sample:

Qur’an 2:79 – “Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and say, ‘This is from Allah.’”

Qur’an 4:46 – “They distort the words from their [right] places.”

Qur’an 5:13 – “They forgot a good part of what they were reminded of.”

These are clear textual corruptions, not just interpretation errors.

So yes, Allah entrusted the Books to rabbis and priests — and they betrayed that trust, and Allah exposed it.

🐑 “A sheep ate verses of the Qur’an!”

🤣 This is where your ignorance becomes comic.

That hadith is about a paper, not the Qur’an itself. The Qur’an wasn’t preserved on goat skins — it was preserved in the hearts of hundreds of Sahaba. The so-called “lost” verses were either abrogated in recitation or never part of the Mushaf, as authenticated by scholars.

You're quoting narrations out of context like a man reading headlines and claiming he knows the law.

📜 “Ibn Mas’ud had a different Qur’an!”

🛑 Another lie. Ibn Mas’ud’s personal mushaf didn’t include the basmalah or certain surahs — not because he denied them, but because he was compiling partial notes, not the final Mushaf. He later accepted Uthman’s compilation like the rest of the Sahaba.

🧠 “Qur’an 5:3 says religion is complete, yet more verses came after!”

Basic tafsir crushes this foolishness. That verse refers to the completion of the legal Shari’ah — not the final verse chronologically. Later verses were revealed for individual rulings, not foundational doctrine.

Your failure to distinguish chronological revelation from legislative finality is your own ignorance.

✍️ “Ummi doesn’t mean illiterate!”

The Prophet ﷺ being Ummi means exactly what scholars agree on: unlettered, i.e., unable to read or write — which makes the Qur’an even more miraculous.

You said “Ummi means not versed in the scripture.” Did you miss the irony? He wasn’t versed in any scripture — yet he brought the greatest scripture known to mankind.

Your argument proves our miracle.

🪓 “Show one verse where Allah says the previous scriptures were corrupted!”

We already gave you four. Here's a fifth for fun:

Qur’an 5:41 – “…They alter words after they had been put in their right places…”

This is beyond dispute. If you still deny it, you're not debating — you're evangelizing with a blindfold on.

🧠 “Qur’an says sun sets in murky water!”

More stupidity. Dhul-Qarnayn saw it that way — from his perspective. The Qur’an doesn’t say the sun literally sets in mud. Even your GPS app says “sunset at 6:15pm” — does the sun drop into the ocean?

Meanwhile your Bible says:

Earth is flat (Isaiah 11:12)

Has four corners (Revelation 7:1)

Sun stood still for hours (Joshua 10:13)

Don’t throw stones in a glass church.
🔬 “Sperm becomes a baby? LOL!”

This was written in 7th-century Arabia, long before microscopes. The Qur’an accurately describes:

Nutfa (fluid drop – sperm)

‘Alaqah (clot – zygote stage)

Mudghah (chewed lump – embryo)

Bones clothed in flesh – fetal growth

Modern embryologists like Dr. Keith Moore confirmed the accuracy. Your laughter is from ignorance, not science.

🗣️ “Muhammad placed his hand on the Torah and said he believed it!”

Yes — but context matters. He affirmed what was originally revealed, not what’s been corrupted over centuries.

🤡 WORDS ADVICE

You mock the Qur’an, yet you can’t even present a single contradiction from the Qur’an that withstands classical tafsir. You parrot online missionary nonsense, cherry-pick weak hadiths, and ignore scholarly consensus.

Your Bible is a jigsaw puzzle of anonymous authors, missing gospels, Greek fabrications, and books thrown out by your own councils — and you think you have the intellectual high ground?

Sit down. The Qur’an is intact. You just can’t handle that truth.

🔥 Challenge returned: I’ll answer any of your claims — bring them one by one — but I dare you to answer this:

Where in the Bible does Jesus ever say “I am God, worship me”?

You won’t find it. But I can find 10 verses calling Jesus “a man”, “a prophet”, and “a servant of God”.

You came to mock Islam. Instead, you exposed your religion and your ignorance.

We stand on the Qur’an — preserved, perfect, divine.

You stand on a Bible of contradictions, redactions, and human errors.

May Allah guide you — or break your arrogance. Ameen.


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JimRohn:
Don’t twist my words to cover the contradictions in your theology. I never said Jesus (peace be upon him) failed in his mission according to Islam — you are the one who inserted your flawed Christian assumptions into the discussion.


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what was the flawed "Christian assumptions" you wrote "not to "complete a failed mission," yes or no?

JimRohn:


Now let’s dismantle your claim step by step.

You said the first visit of Jesus was sufficient. If that’s the case, then answer plainly: Why is he coming back? You said “to fulfill God’s word” and “save those who obeyed God.” That proves his mission is incomplete, and by your own words, not mine. That’s not sufficiency — that’s unfinished business.

You can’t have it both ways. Either he completed his mission and doesn’t need to return — or he didn’t complete it and must return. Your contradiction exposes the weakness of your doctrine.


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Sufficient means enough, did Jesus do what God asked him when he first came. Yes. Expect you are saying that the mission God gave him when he came first was insufficient.

Your problem is that you assume that Jesus came to save those who obeyed God whereas he came to preach the gospel which repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, to call sinners to repentance. This is what you called flawed theology.

😂 It is the doctrine in have in your mind that you are exposing, I told you before it is respectful to actually ask what a person's theology is before assuming it before you find yourself with a foot in the mut

JimRohn:


Now let me clarify the Islamic view that you’re trying to confuse:
In Islam, Jesus never failed. He was sent to the Children of Israel to confirm the Torah and deliver the Gospel. He fulfilled his mission of calling to Tawheed (monotheism), but his people betrayed him, not God or his mission. Allah raised him before they could harm him, proving that no one has power over God’s chosen prophet. He will return not because he failed, but to complete a divine task that was never part of his original mission: to break the cross, kill the false messiah, and establish justice under Islam.

This is not a correction of a failed mission. It is a victory over the lies made about him, including the claim of divinity and crucifixion — lies your religion is built upon.

So don’t throw around confused questions as if they expose Islam. All they expose is your desperation to defend a theology full of holes.

Now I’ve answered you with clarity. Can you do the same — without hiding behind circular logic and emotional theology?

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"to complete a divine task that was never part of his original mission"

So whose task is he completing? Who started the divine task and what is the divine task?

By the way care to tell us what Jesus means

NairaLTQ:

Sorry,
How do you know what Jesus preached?
Do you know how Jesus described the Holy Spirit?

What is Trinity according to Allah?
What is Trinity according to Christians?




What is the difference between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Satan?

You ask: “How do you know what Jesus preached?”

We know what Jesus (ʿĪsā عليه السلام) preached because Allah told us in the Qur’an, not from the council-edited confusion you call a Bible. Your Bible was tampered with by men — ours is preserved by God.

Jesus preached Tawheed — pure monotheism — and that’s exactly what the Qur’an affirms:

> "Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
— Qur’an 3:51

This is word-for-word what Jesus would have said — and it's the exact opposite of the Trinity lie you inherited from Rome, not from Christ.

You ask: “How did Jesus describe the Holy Spirit?”

Let’s turn the question around:

➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

In your own Bible, Jesus calls the Spirit a Helper, not God (John 14:16–17). A helper is not equal to the One who sends him.

Jesus never preached your man-made “third person of the Trinity” fiction. That’s a Roman invention, not divine revelation.

You ask: “What is Trinity according to Allah?”

Simple.

> "They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.'"
— Qur’an 5:73

In Islam, the “Trinity” is rejected outright as a man-made shirk (polytheism). Allah is One, not three-in-one — not a partnership, not a divine committee.

You ask: “What is Trinity according to Christians?”

That’s the funniest part. Christians themselves don’t agree on it.

Some say God = Father + Son + Holy Spirit, “co-equal” and “co-eternal.”

Others say the Son is begotten but not created.

Still others say they’re not three gods but “one essence in three persons.”

It's philosophical spaghetti — not scripture. Even your Bible never uses the word "Trinity" — not once. It was invented centuries after Jesus, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, under a pagan emperor.

Jesus never taught this nonsense. You worship a church doctrine, not the God of Jesus.

You ask: “What is the difference between the Tawheed of Allah and the Tawheed of Satan?”

Now this is pure foolishness — and blasphemy.

Let me educate you since you clearly don’t know the difference between Divine Monotheism and demonic lies:

⚔️ Tawheed of Allah:

Pure, indivisible Oneness of God.

No partners, no sons, no images, no idols.

Worship Allah alone, without mediators.

The creed of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad — all upon them be peace.

🔥 “Tawheed” of Satan? That’s your Trinity:

A fake god-man-spirit trio.

A “son” born of a woman, yet called God.

A god that dies, then comes back, yet is eternal.

Worshiping a human being who ate, slept, bled, and cried — and then calling that man “the Creator.”

That’s not monotheism — that’s idolatry.

Even Satan wouldn’t dare ascribe a son to God. That’s your work.

> “And they say, ‘The Most Merciful has taken a son.’ You have said a monstrous thing."
— Qur’an 19:88–89

🔚 Final Word:

You come to Muslims quoting a Book that:

Was written decades after Jesus,

Was edited, censored, and corrupted,

Contains contradictions, pagan inserts, and forged epistles,

Yet you think you’re qualified to question the Qur’an?

Jesus (ʿalayhi as-salām) worshipped One God. You worship a man, call him God, then pretend that’s what Jesus taught?

You’ve inherited a false creed and you’re too arrogant to it it.

Tawheed is the truth of all Prophets. Trinity is the lie of church councils.

Pick your side.


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JimRohn:
You mock verses of the Qur’an with emojis as if ridicule is a substitute for reason. But let’s be clear: your sarcasm only exposes your ignorance, not any flaw in the Qur’an.

You say: “Qur’an 16:35 says messengers 😂😆😂.”
Yes, the verse speaks of messengers. That’s because Allah sent messengers to different nations throughout history, not just one. Qur’an 16:36 clarifies this:

"And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], ‘Worship Allah and avoid Taghut (false gods).’”
That is not a contradiction — it’s a timeline. Many messengers came before Muhammad ﷺ, each to their specific nation. That’s why the Arabic uses "rasūlan" (a messenger) — not the final messenger — because this was describing the pattern before the finality of prophethood.

Now to your desperate question: “Is there a verse that calls Muhammad the last and final prophet?”
Yes. Since you claim to read the Qur’an, read it properly:

“Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets.” (Qur’an 33:40)

"Khātam an-Nabiyyīn" means the final — not just another in the line. The Arabic term "khātam" means seal, closure, finality, not continuation. Every tafsir from the earliest generations confirms this. So your attempt to act like this isn’t explicit only works on people who don’t know Arabic — or don’t read the Qur’an seriously.

And don’t think you’ve made some groundbreaking point by saying “the Qur’an says he brought a message to the world, so what is his gospel?”
This is a classic Christian projection — trying to force the Qur’anic message into your gospel-shaped box.

Let me break it down:

“And We have not sent you [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to all creation.” (Qur’an 21:107)
“And We have not sent you except comprehensively to mankind…” (Qur’an 34:28)

The Qur’anic “gospel” is not like your Greek "euangelion", full of mythology and crucified gods. The “good news” of Muhammad ﷺ is guidance, light, and a complete way of life — based on the pure Tawḥīd of all prophets, completed and preserved without corruption.

You said: “The good news that there is one God is not even news.”
Only someone drowning in spiritual arrogance would say something that foolish.

When humanity is drowning in idolatry, shirk, man-worship, priesthood, saints, false gods, and systems of oppression — yes, being called back to Tawḥīd is not just news, it is salvation.

The Qur’an didn’t come to amuse philosophers like you. It came to establish:

That Allah is One — no partners, no sons, no intermediaries.

That worship belongs to Him alone — not through saints, not through prophets, not through church hierarchies.

That guidance is not vague emotion but a concrete Shari’ah — prayer, charity, justice, morality, and divine law.

You ask “guidance to what?”
Guidance to the straight path — Sirat al-Mustaqeem — submission to the Creator alone, in every aspect of life.

And before you act like this isn’t enough: the same “one God” message was preached by Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus (peace be upon them all). But it was corrupted by those who came after. Muhammad ﷺ came not with “new entertainment,” but with the final preserved truth — clarified, perfected, universal.

So mock all you want, but you’re mocking what you don’t understand. You’re not asking questions — you’re twisting verses, demanding that Islam conform to your Christian frameworks.

But Islam doesn’t revolve around your definitions. It stands on its own — complete, final, and preserved. If you want truth, humble yourself and seek it. If you want games, you’ll only be exposing your own ignorance.

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what are you even saying, you don't even have the humility to it your mistakes. That someone who doesn't even know the Quran corrected you.

At first you said it means Muhammad now you have changed it to agree with what I wrote.

Now you know that Arabic uses "rasūlan" (a messenger) — not the final messenger, which you previously claimed.

Look if you can't it simple things like that, you won't it any major wrong in what you have been saying all this while.

All you can do is disrespect the questions, avoid some of them and undermine the rest.

You are talking about the messengers of Allah, like ilyas and Zakariya right? Who called YHVH there God and not Allah?

Is there any idolatry and false image bigger than the kabba and black stone on earth?

Meanwhile a number of other religious claims one God yet you claim it is news. Do you live in a desert?

So based on what you have written Islam is not a way to God but it's purpose is to break down other religions which portray God differently, right? That is it's focus

JimRohn:
You ask: “How do you know what Jesus preached?”

We know what Jesus (ʿĪsā عليه السلام) preached because Allah told us in the Qur’an, not from the council-edited confusion you call a Bible. Your Bible was tampered with by men — ours is preserved by God.

Jesus preached Tawheed — pure monotheism — and that’s exactly what the Qur’an affirms:

> "Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
— Qur’an 3:51

This is word-for-word what Jesus would have said — and it's the exact opposite of the Trinity lie you inherited from Rome, not from Christ.

You ask: “How did Jesus describe the Holy Spirit?”

Let’s turn the question around:

➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

In your own Bible, Jesus calls the Spirit a Helper, not God (John 14:16–17). A helper is not equal to the One who sends him.

Jesus never preached your man-made “third person of the Trinity” fiction. That’s a Roman invention, not divine revelation.

You ask: “What is Trinity according to Allah?”

Simple.

> "They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.'"
— Qur’an 5:73

In Islam, the “Trinity” is rejected outright as a man-made shirk (polytheism). Allah is One, not three-in-one — not a partnership, not a divine committee.

You ask: “What is Trinity according to Christians?”

That’s the funniest part. Christians themselves don’t agree on it.

Some say God = Father + Son + Holy Spirit, “co-equal” and “co-eternal.”

Others say the Son is begotten but not created.

Still others say they’re not three gods but “one essence in three persons.”

It's philosophical spaghetti — not scripture. Even your Bible never uses the word "Trinity" — not once. It was invented centuries after Jesus, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, under a pagan emperor.

Jesus never taught this nonsense. You worship a church doctrine, not the God of Jesus.

You ask: “What is the difference between the Tawheed of Allah and the Tawheed of Satan?”

Now this is pure foolishness — and blasphemy.

Let me educate you since you clearly don’t know the difference between Divine Monotheism and demonic lies:

⚔️ Tawheed of Allah:

Pure, indivisible Oneness of God.

No partners, no sons, no images, no idols.

Worship Allah alone, without mediators.

The creed of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad — all upon them be peace.

🔥 “Tawheed” of Satan? That’s your Trinity:

A fake god-man-spirit trio.

A “son” born of a woman, yet called God.

A god that dies, then comes back, yet is eternal.

Worshiping a human being who ate, slept, bled, and cried — and then calling that man “the Creator.”

That’s not monotheism — that’s idolatry.

Even Satan wouldn’t dare ascribe a son to God. That’s your work.

> “And they say, ‘The Most Merciful has taken a son.’ You have said a monstrous thing."
— Qur’an 19:88–89

🔚 Final Word:

You come to Muslims quoting a Book that:

Was written decades after Jesus,

Was edited, censored, and corrupted,

Contains contradictions, pagan inserts, and forged epistles,

Yet you think you’re qualified to question the Qur’an?

Jesus (ʿalayhi as-salām) worshipped One God. You worship a man, call him God, then pretend that’s what Jesus taught?

You’ve inherited a false creed and you’re too arrogant to it it.

Tawheed is the truth of all Prophets. Trinity is the lie of church councils.

Pick your side.


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so everyone who preached and taught one God is a Muslim and a prophet of Allah? And that is the gospel the beginning and end of it, the total complete gospel

You can see jimrohn using the same corrupted text which the original doesn't exist anyone to answer who the holy Spirit is

Jimrohn I heard Muhmmad was asked three questions by the Jews who were asked to if he was indeed a prophet, one of which was about the ruach. And he said he will ask Gabriel and give an answer within three days but 1st day ed, third day came, even up the many days later he didn't show up.

I don't believe this is true, right creativeorbit, I mean even heard there are two versions of Muhmmad, the first of 12 years and the other version that ran away and faced mecca instead of Jerusalem brought about other confusing parts of the qran

gohf:
Jimrohn I heard Muhmmad was asked three questions by the Jews who were asked to if he was indeed a prophet, one of which was about the ruach. And he said he will ask Gabriel and give an answer within three days but 1st day ed, third day came, even up the many days later he didn't show up.

I don't believe this is true, right creativeorbit, I mean even heard there are two versions of Muhmmad, the first of 12 years and the other version that ran away and faced mecca instead of Jerusalem brought about other confusing parts of the qran

What you just spewed is a perfect cocktail of ignorance, distortion, and lazy internet folklore.

Let’s break your nonsense apart.

First, the story of the Prophet ﷺ delaying his answer about the Rūḥ: Yes, it happened. He was asked about the soul, and he said he would answer the next day—without saying “In shā’ Allāh.” So Allah delayed the revelation to correct this. And what did the Qur’an do? It exposed the mistake and gave the answer. That’s called divine discipline and transparency—not the fantasy of a man trying to "fake prophethood." If he were inventing it, why would he make himself look human and correctable? You wouldn’t find one false prophet in history with the guts to include that.

But you don’t even understand the very story you’re trying to weaponize. You parrot it secondhand without context, hoping to sound profound. Newsflash: repeating things you barely grasp doesn't make you smart—it just makes you loud and wrong.

Then you mention this idiotic claim of “two versions of Muhammad” over 12 years? That’s just incoherent drivel. There were no “versions.” There was one Prophet ﷺ who bore 13 years of torture and boycott in Makkah, then established a model state in Madinah after Hijrah. That isn’t “running away.” That’s called strategic patience followed by decisive leadership—something foreign to people whose own religious traditions are riddled with cowardice, compromise, and corruption.

And your cheap jab about the Qiblah change? Read the Qur’an before you comment on it. Allah himself changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Makkah to sever the spiritual dependency Muslims had on corrupted Jewish and Christian traditions. It was a bold, divine command—not some random identity shift. Only someone confused by his own religious baggage would find that “confusing.”

What’s actually confusing is your incoherent rant filled with conspiracy-theory nonsense and YouTube-level scholarship. You’re so desperate to attack Islam that you’ll cling to anything, no matter how baseless. But here’s the truth you’re avoiding:

Islam is the only religion whose Book has been preserved word-for-word for 1400+ years.

The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ brought a revelation unmatched in eloquence, truth, and power.

No one—not even the Jews who questioned him—could match or refute the Qur’an.

Your mockery only exposes your weakness, not ours.

So if you're going to talk about Islam, come correct. Otherwise, keep your incoherent fairytales and historical illiteracy to yourself. We’re not here to babysit your ignorance.

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gohf:
so everyone who preached and taught one God is a Muslim and a prophet of Allah? And that is the gospel the beginning and end of it, the total complete gospel

Your attempt to reduce the Islamic understanding of prophethood and revelation to a caricature is both misleading and intellectually lazy.

Islam doesn't claim that just anyone who says "one God" automatically becomes a prophet or a Muslim. That’s a gross oversimplification. According to Islamic theology, a prophet is someone specifically chosen and commissioned by Allah—not self-appointed—who conveys revelation and guidance from the Creator to humanity. Their message is not just "God is one" in a vacuum, but a comprehensive way of life based on divine law, ethics, worship, and ability.

So no, merely uttering "one God" doesn’t make someone a prophet or a Muslim. Pharaoh acknowledged God’s existence, yet he’s condemned in the Qur’an. Satan himself believes in one God, but he is accursed. Islam is submission on God’s , not on yours.

As for your dismissive remark—“that is the gospel, the beginning and end of it”—you’re mistaken again. From an Islamic view, the true Gospel (Injeel) given to Jesus (peace be upon him) was divine revelation, not the human-written compilations people call "the gospel" today. Islam affirms that the original messages of all prophets were unified in essence: submission to the One God, righteousness, and preparing for the Hereafter. That message reached its final and perfected form with the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad ﷺ.

If you’re going to criticize Islamic theology, at least do so accurately and honestly. Strawman arguments only expose the weakness of your position.

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No, it is not accurate to say that Islam is the only religion whose holy book has been preserved word-for-word.

Is this record true concerning all religions?

No, it is not accurate to say that Islam is the only religion whose holy book has been preserved word-for-word.

Could this be self exaggeration?

Yes, It's an exaggeration to say definitively that Islam is the only religion whose book has been preserved word-for-word.
However, while many scholars acknowledge the strong efforts made to preserve the Quran, it's not definitively proven that no other religious text has been preserved exactly as originally written.

Claiming that the Christian gospel has no divine revelation yet quoting it as a to Islamic claims, is that a fallacious logic?

Yes, that would be a fallacious logic, specifically an example of appeal to authority or hypocrisy. The argument is flawed because it uses a text (the Christian gospel) that is supposedly not divinely inspired to a different claim (Islamic claims), which is a contradictory and inconsistent approach.

Did the Jews at the time of Muhammad believe him be a prophet?

In general, most Jews at the time of Muhammad did not believe him to be a prophet. They held the belief that a prophet would emerge from within their own people, not from among the Arabs. While some individuals, like Abdullah ibn Salam, did accept Muhammad as a prophet, this was not the prevailing view within the Jewish community. Some Jewish scholars even considered Muhammad to be "the man," a term used in the Bible for those who believe themselves to be prophets.

did the jews at the time of Jesus believe him to be a prophet?

While some Jews at the time of Jesus believed him to be a prophet, this was not universally accepted. The Jewish people, particularly those with leadership roles, generally did not view Jesus as a prophet, nor as the Messiah, according to Jews for Judaism.

did the jews believe that a non Israelite could be a prophet?

Yes, Jews believe that non-Israelites, or Gentiles, can be prophets, although they are not typically considered as high-ranking as Israelite prophets. The Talmud mentions Balaam, a non-Israelite, as a prophet.

did the jews believe that a false prophet is one that brings destruction to their nation?

Yes, Jewish tradition recognizes that a false prophet is one who brings destruction to the nation. False prophets in the Hebrew Bible are described as those who speak in the name of the Lord but whose prophecies do not come to , thus leading the people astray. They are seen as deceivers who undermine the true covenant between God and Israel.

does the quran say the bible is corrupted?

The Quran doesn't explicitly state that the Bible (Torah and Injil) is corrupted in the way that the physical text has been altered or rewritten. Instead, it suggests that those who had the scriptures were misled, misinterpreting the messages and not fully understanding the content. The Quran emphasizes that the previous scriptures were revealed with truth, but they may have been misinterpreted or even altered in meaning over time.

is it correct to say that the quran suggests that the interpretation not the text of the bible is incorrect?

The statement that the Quran suggests the interpretation, rather than the text, of the Bible is incorrect is largely true.

is it correct to say that the quran suggests that the text of the copies of bible is altered?

While some interpretations of the Quran suggest that copies of the Bible have been altered, the Quran itself does not directly state this claim.

Hello JimRohn :

The Nairaland Placed me under ban for the posts below. So, here it is again!