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JimRohn:
You ask: “How do you know what Jesus preached?”

We know what Jesus (ʿĪsā عليه السلام) preached because Allah told us in the Qur’an, not from the council-edited confusion you call a Bible. Your Bible was tampered with by men — ours is preserved by God.

Jesus preached Tawheed — pure monotheism — and that’s exactly what the Qur’an affirms:

> "Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. That is the straight path."
— Qur’an 3:51

You believed the lies of Mohammed!?

What did Jesus teach about Prayers?
What did Jesus teach about Marriage?
What did Jesus teach about Giving to God?
What did Jesus teach about your Neighbours?
What did Jesus teach about Forgiveness?
What did Jesus teach about Faith?
What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

Please tell me, I am all ears!

JimRohn:

This is word-for-word what Jesus would have said — and it's the exact opposite of the Trinity lie you inherited from Rome, not from Christ.

You ask: “How did Jesus describe the Holy Spirit?”

Let’s turn the question around:

➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

In your own Bible, Jesus calls the Spirit a Helper, not God (John 14:16–17). A helper is not equal to the One who sends him.

Jesus never preached your man-made “third person of the Trinity” fiction. That’s a Roman invention, not divine revelation.

Is God not our helper?
Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Who is the Holy Spirit?

JimRohn:

You ask: “What is Trinity according to Allah?”
Simple.
> "They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the third of three.'"
— Qur’an 5:73
In Islam, the “Trinity” is rejected outright as a man-made shirk (polytheism). Allah is One, not three-in-one — not a partnership, not a divine committee.

Allah is WRONG with this Question. 0/100

Not one Christian say Allah is the third of three!

If Allah is the Third of THREE, who are the other TWO according to the Quran?

JimRohn:

You ask: “What is Trinity according to Christians?”
That’s the funniest part. Christians themselves don’t agree on it.
Some say God = Father + Son + Holy Spirit, “co-equal” and “co-eternal.”
Others say the Son is begotten but not created.
Still others say they’re not three gods but “one essence in three persons.”

How can you lie to yourself and be at peace except the spirit of lies dwell richly in you?
If Allah cannot define the trinity correctly, how much more his slaves!

JimRohn:

It's philosophical spaghetti — not scripture. Even your Bible never uses the word "Trinity" — not once. It was invented centuries after Jesus, at the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, under a pagan emperor.

Jesus never taught this nonsense. You worship a church doctrine, not the God of Jesus.
You ask: “What is the difference between the Tawheed of Allah and the Tawheed of Satan?”
Now this is pure foolishness — and blasphemy.

Taoheed is in the Quran!?
I saw it yesterday!

There is NO difference between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Satan.
Not one difference!

JimRohn:

Let me educate you since you clearly don’t know the difference between Divine Monotheism and demonic lies:

⚔️ Tawheed of Allah:

Pure, indivisible Oneness of God.

No partners, no sons, no images, no idols.

Worship Allah alone, without mediators.

Exactly like satan!

JimRohn:

The creed of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad — all upon them be peace.

🔥 “Tawheed” of Satan? That’s your Trinity:

A fake god-man-spirit trio.

A “son” born of a woman, yet called God.

A god that dies, then comes back, yet is eternal.

Worshiping a human being who ate, slept, bled, and cried — and then calling that man “the Creator.”

That’s not monotheism — that’s idolatry.

Even Satan wouldn’t dare ascribe a son to God. That’s your work.

> “And they say, ‘The Most Merciful has taken a son.’ You have said a monstrous thing."
— Qur’an 19:88–89

🔚 Final Word:

You come to Muslims quoting a Book that:

Was written decades after Jesus,

Was edited, censored, and corrupted,

Contains contradictions, pagan inserts, and forged epistles,

Yet you think you’re qualified to question the Qur’an?

Jesus (ʿalayhi as-salām) worshipped One God. You worship a man, call him God, then pretend that’s what Jesus taught?

You’ve inherited a false creed and you’re too arrogant to it it.

Tawheed is the truth of all Prophets. Trinity is the lie of church councils.

Pick your side.


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The implication of the Taoheed is terribly against Allah
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omnipresent
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omnipotent
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omniscient

This is a serious problem!

NairaLTQ:
Hello JimRohn :

The Nairaland Placed me under ban for the posts below. So, here it is again!

wow you are tenq. Us expecting jimrohn to be forthright might just be a waste of time, I wish he or better still any truthful Muslim would answer this questions. Especially where is the original Quran text, the very first one.

Seeing as unlike the Bible they claim doesn't have an original copy, surely they have their don't they.

From your exchange with jimrohn I have become confused as to if Muhammad could write or not, at first he said he couldn't but then he said being illiterate doesn't mean he couldn't write but that he wasn't educated in scripture, so therefore we should see it has a miracle that scripture came from him.

I also noticed he did not deny that abubaka and uthman wrote in the Quran, I also asked some informed arabs online and they confirmed what you wrote.

This question you have posed is highly relevant, where is the original Quran text?

➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere. Before I can answer the new question.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

gohf:
wow you are tenq. Us expecting jimrohn to be forthright might just be a waste of time, I wish he or better still any truthful Muslim would answer this questions. Especially where is the original Quran text, the very first one.

jimrohn thinks that re-asserting his noises make him correct unfortunately, he isn't willing to think of the consequences of his claims.

gohf:

Seeing as unlike the Bible they claim doesn't have an original copy, surely they have their don't they.

They don't even have copies of copies of copies of the Uthmanic Qur'an. This is why they have to rely on the recitation of the Qur'an according to Hafs (and NOT a copy of the Qur'an of Uthman) who they all agree to be a fraud and a thief. The Hafs recitation of the Qur'an was made the standard text officially in 1924 with the publication of the Cairo edition under the patronage of Fuad I of Egypt.

Prior to this, there were several dozens of conflicting Arabic Qur'ans.

gohf:

From your exchange with jimrohn I have become confused as to if Muhammad could write or not, at first he said he couldn't but then he said being illiterate doesn't mean he couldn't write but that he wasn't educated in scripture, so therefore we should see it has a miracle that scripture came from him.

Mohammed could indeed read and write even though he had secretaries who wrote for him

https://nairaland.sitesunblocked.org/7805486/another-lie-islam-mohammed-sold

gohf:

I also noticed he did not deny that abubaka and uthman wrote in the Quran, I also asked some informed arabs online and they confirmed what you wrote.

This question you have posed is highly relevant, where is the original Quran text?

All the Qur'ans are missing.
The Qur'an of Mohammed (7 Ahruf)
The Qur'an of Abubakar
The Qur'an of Uthman

This was why the resorted to using the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs.

JimRohn:
➡️ Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere. Before I can answer the new question.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

So that we are on the same page

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah?

TenQ:

jimrohn thinks that re-asserting his noises make him correct unfortunately, he isn't willing to think of the consequences of his claims.



They don't even have copies of copies of copies of the Uthmanic Qur'an. This is why they have to rely on the recitation of the Qur'an according to Hafs (and NOT a copy of the Qur'an of Uthman) who they all agree to be a fraud and a thief. The Hafs recitation of the Qur'an was made the standard text officially in 1924 with the publication of the Cairo edition under the patronage of Fuad I of Egypt.

Prior to this, there were several dozens of conflicting Arabic Qur'ans.



Mohammed could indeed read and write even though he had secretaries who wrote for him

https://nairaland.sitesunblocked.org/7805486/another-lie-islam-mohammed-sold



All the Qur'ans are missing.
The Qur'an of Mohammed (7 Ahruf)
The Qur'an of Abubakar
The Qur'an of Uthman

This was why the resorted to using the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs.

not surprised Quran actually means recitation, it's probably why they recite it and not teach it, unlike the Torah that means teaching and instruction. It wasn't meant to be taught nor explain but recited and accepted as a saying that even they can't explain.

TenQ:

So that we are on the same page

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah?

It is not productive to respond to questions with more questions, especially when the same inquiries are being repeated multiple times.

If there is no intention to engage in a meaningful exchange, please let us know if you would prefer to end this conversation.

gohf:
not surprised Quran actually means recitation, it's probably why they recite it and not teach it, unlike the Torah that means teaching and instruction. It wasn't meant to be taught nor explain but recited and accepted as a saying that even they can't explain.

So, since the Qur'an was written down and collected, where are the originals.
Who hid the book of Allah?
Could it be that the Qur'an was not entrusted to anyone?

Even though, you despise the Truth, maybe you should read these posts

https://nairaland.sitesunblocked.org/8161547/evidence-ancient-qurans-different-modern

And for your word for word lies they told you, I will just show you a few perfect recitations of the Qur'an of Hafs and Warsh

https://nairaland.sitesunblocked.org/8163435/see-evidences-differences-warsh-quran

JimRohn:
It is not productive to respond to questions with more questions, especially when the same inquiries are being repeated multiple times.

If there is no intention to engage in a meaningful exchange, please let us know if you would prefer to end this conversation.

Sorry, the Questions are extremely important.

If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

gohf:
not surprised Quran actually means recitation, it's probably why they recite it and not teach it, unlike the Torah that means teaching and instruction. It wasn't meant to be taught nor explain but recited and accepted as a saying that even they can't explain.

The problem is that as long as they have put their recitals in books, they should be able to present them as a permanent record.

After all, they now depend not on RECITATIONS but on WRITINGS of their Qur'an.

What are Muslims hiding from the world?

The Qur'an of Mohammed (7 Ahruf)
The Qur'an of Abubakar
The Qur'an of Uthman

This was why the resorted to making extant copies of the Qur'an according to the RECITATION of Hafs and not even as a COPY of any of their ORIGINALS.

They collected and wrote the Qur'an because recitations was failing them.

NairaLTQ:
Hello JimRohn :

The Nairaland Placed me under ban for the posts below. So, here it is again!

Don't skip this o Mr JimRohn

TenQ:

You believed the lies of Mohammed!?

What did Jesus teach about Prayers?
What did Jesus teach about Marriage?
What did Jesus teach about Giving to God?
What did Jesus teach about your Neighbours?
What did Jesus teach about Forgiveness?
What did Jesus teach about Faith?
What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

Please tell me, I am all ears!


Is God not our helper?
Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.


Who is the Holy Spirit?


Allah is WRONG with this Question. 0/100

Not one Christian say Allah is the third of three!

If Allah is the Third of THREE, who are the other TWO according to the Quran?



How can you lie to yourself and be at peace except the spirit of lies dwell richly in you?
If Allah cannot define the trinity correctly, how much more his slaves!



Taoheed is in the Quran!?
I saw it yesterday!

There is NO difference between the Taoheed of Allah and the Taoheed of Satan.
Not one difference!





Exactly like satan!


The implication of the Taoheed is terribly against Allah
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omnipresent
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omnipotent
Taoheed means that Allah is NOT Omniscient

This is a serious problem!

Your ignorance is only rivaled by your arrogance. You throw around verses and accusations like a blind man swinging in the dark, not realizing that your very Bible convicts you of hypocrisy.

> “You believed the lies of Muhammad!?”

No—I believe in the last and final Prophet of the One true God, the same God Jesus (peace be upon him) bowed to with his face on the ground. Meanwhile, you believe the lie that God became a man, bled, and died at the hands of His own creation, yet call that salvation? You worship a crucified man and then dare accuse others of believing lies?

Let’s dissect your sanctimonious list with your own book:

> What did Jesus teach about prayer?

He prayed like a Muslim:

“And he fell on his face and prayed” (Matthew 26:39).

When was the last time you fell on your face before God? Or do you pray like pagans—singing, dancing, and clapping?

> What did Jesus teach about marriage?

He upheld the law:

“Think not that I came to abolish the law...” (Matthew 5:17).

That law allowed polygyny (multiple wives), which you now label immoral. So is Jesus immoral or are you just dishonest?

> What did Jesus teach about giving to God?

He taught sincerity:

“Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing” (Matthew 6:3).

Meanwhile, your modern churches have turned giving into a tax scam and a business, pimping Jesus for profit.

> What did Jesus teach about neighbors?

He said love them. Yet your countries have bombed entire Muslim nations, killing neighbors by the millions. Do you mean “love thy neighbor” or “drone thy neighbor”?

> What did Jesus teach about forgiveness?

He said to forgive—but you demand blood for sin! You don’t actually believe in God’s mercy. You believe He needs to watch someone die before He can forgive.

> What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

According to your own confusion, it’s either God, not God, or a person. Which one is it? The truth: the Holy Spirit is Jibreel (Gabriel), a mighty angel, not “God the Bird” floating around with dove wings.

Now to your real problem: the Qur’an destroys the lie of the trinity.

> “No Christian says Allah is the third of three!”

Really? Then why is your Nicene Creed a trinitarian formula of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—one God in three Persons”? That is three persons = one god, a math problem no prophet ever preached.

Qur’an 5:73:

> “They are disbelievers who say: Allah is one of three…”

Stop lying. The Qur’an rebukes your false doctrines before you even open your mouth.

> “If Allah is the third of three, who are the other two?”

That’s the point. He’s not. Allah says He is One, indivisible, without partner, child, or mother. Your confused theology is being exposed by divine revelation. Don't try to mock the Qur’an when it is exposing your pagan formulations.

Now your most blasphemous claim:

> “There is no difference between Tawheed of Allah and Tawheed of Satan.”

Congratulations. You've crossed the line into full-blown kufr (disbelief). Satan never taught Tawheed, he taught rebellion. It is your trinity that resembles Satanic doctrine—dividing God into pieces, confusing people, and inviting them to worship the creation.

> “Tawheed means Allah is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient”

False. Tawheed affirms that Allah is absolutely omnipotent, all-knowing, and perfectly aware of everything. Your confusion arises because you think God must be physically inside creation to know about it—how small is your god?

Our Lord does not need to incarnate into a man, urinate, or be crucified to demonstrate power or knowledge. That’s your weakness, not ours.

Final word:

If the Spirit of Truth were in you, you’d recognize Islam is the continuation and completion of the message of Jesus—who was a prophet, a servant, and a slave of God. But you’ve replaced monotheism with man-worship and then dared to mock those who call to the original message.

> “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free” (John 8:32)

The truth is La ilaha illAllah. There is no god but Allah. And Muhammad ﷺ is His final messenger.

You can mock, but your words only prove your defeat. Keep quoting the Bible—it buries your false creed deeper with every verse.

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Why you people refuse to answer this question 👇

Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

JimRohn:
Why you people refuse to answer this question 👇

Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

TenQ gofh NairaLTQ

If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah or Mohammed?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

JimRohn:
Your ignorance is only rivaled by your arrogance. You throw around verses and accusations like a blind man swinging in the dark, not realizing that your very Bible convicts you of hypocrisy.

> “You believed the lies of Muhammad!?”

No—I believe in the last and final Prophet of the One true God, the same God Jesus (peace be upon him) bowed to with his face on the ground. Meanwhile, you believe the lie that God became a man, bled, and died at the hands of His own creation, yet call that salvation? You worship a crucified man and then dare accuse others of believing lies?

Let’s dissect your sanctimonious list with your own book:

> What did Jesus teach about prayer?

He prayed like a Muslim:

“And he fell on his face and prayed” (Matthew 26:39).

When was the last time you fell on your face before God? Or do you pray like pagans—singing, dancing, and clapping?

Here are Buddhists aka Muslims praying

[img]https://buddhism.info/wp-content/s/2019/06/pic1-300x200.jpg[/img]

[img]https://mysakonnakhon.com/wp-content/s/2024/02/Buddhist-Prayer-Beads-with-Monk-1125x798.jpg.webp[/img]

Indeed, if this is how you pray, Buddhists are Muslims

JimRohn:

> What did Jesus teach about marriage?
He upheld the law:
“Think not that I came to abolish the law...” (Matthew 5:17).
That law allowed polygyny (multiple wives), which you now label immoral. So is Jesus immoral or are you just dishonest?
> What did Jesus teach about giving to God?
He taught sincerity:
“Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing” (Matthew 6:3).
Meanwhile, your modern churches have turned giving into a tax scam and a business, pimping Jesus for profit.
> What did Jesus teach about neighbors?
He said love them. Yet your countries have bombed entire Muslim nations, killing neighbors by the millions. Do you mean “love thy neighbor” or “drone thy neighbor”?
> What did Jesus teach about forgiveness?
He said to forgive—but you demand blood for sin! You don’t actually believe in God’s mercy. You believe He needs to watch someone die before He can forgive.

Did you notice how shamelessly you went into the "corrupt bible' to pick on what you thought Jesus taught?
Tell use what Jesus taught!

Unfortunately, we don't even know who ISA is: as definitely Isa cannot be Jesus the Christ!

JimRohn:

> What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

According to your own confusion, it’s either God, not God, or a person. Which one is it? The truth: the Holy Spirit is Jibreel (Gabriel), a mighty angel, not “God the Bird” floating around with dove wings.
Now to your real problem: the Qur’an destroys the lie of the trinity.

The Question was: What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?

JimRohn:

> “No Christian says Allah is the third of three!”
Really? Then why is your Nicene Creed a trinitarian formula of “Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—one God in three Persons”? That is three persons = one god, a math problem no prophet ever preached.

Did the Trinitarian formula according to you thinking mean God, Son and Holy Spirit!?
OR
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

JimRohn:

Qur’an 5:73:
> “They are disbelievers who say: Allah is one of three…”

Stop lying. The Qur’an rebukes your false doctrines before you even open your mouth.

So, the simple challenge is for you to find us any sect (even heretic) of Christians who say God is the Third of THREE?

JimRohn:

> “If Allah is the third of three, who are the other two?”

That’s the point. He’s not. Allah says He is One, indivisible, without partner, child, or mother. Your confused theology is being exposed by divine revelation. Don't try to mock the Qur’an when it is exposing your pagan formulations.

Can't you answer a direct Question!
“If Allah is the third of three, who are the other two?”

JimRohn:

Now your most blasphemous claim:

> “There is no difference between Tawheed of Allah and Tawheed of Satan.”
Congratulations. You've crossed the line into full-blown kufr (disbelief). Satan never taught Tawheed, he taught rebellion. It is your trinity that resembles Satanic doctrine—dividing God into pieces, confusing people, and inviting them to worship the creation.

How many Iblis exist in the Universe?
Is he not ONE: just as Allah is ONE!?

There is not difference!

JimRohn:

> “Tawheed means Allah is not omnipresent, omnipotent, or omniscient”

False. Tawheed affirms that Allah is absolutely omnipotent, all-knowing, and perfectly aware of everything. Your confusion arises because you think God must be physically inside creation to know about it—how small is your god?

Our Lord does not need to incarnate into a man, urinate, or be crucified to demonstrate power or knowledge. That’s your weakness, not ours.

Does Allah descend every third part of the Night to the lowest heaven listen to the prayers of you Muslims or not?
Is Allah not on his throne upon the waters which is above the seven heavens or not?

The implication of these two is that Allah is NOT Omnipresent sir!

It is a painful pill to swallow, but is it is the truth

JimRohn:

Final word:

If the Spirit of Truth were in you, you’d recognize Islam is the continuation and completion of the message of Jesus—who was a prophet, a servant, and a slave of God. But you’ve replaced monotheism with man-worship and then dared to mock those who call to the original message.

If Islam is a continuation, why do you reject the scriptures of the Jews and Christians?
Why is it that you do NOT know the purpose of the Messiah?
Why is it that you kiss the Blackstone against the law of Moses and Christ Jesus?
Why is it that islam is cascade of lies from the beginning to the end.

Sorry, you want to believe this , but it is a false religion that takes you straight to hell fire!

Islam is an amalgamation of several religions of the Jews, the Christians, the Sabeans, the Meccan Idolaters, the Buddhists etc.

JimRohn:

> “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free” (John 8:32)

The truth is La ilaha illAllah. There is no god but Allah. And Muhammad ﷺ is His final messenger.

You can mock, but your words only prove your defeat. Keep quoting the Bible—it buries your false creed deeper with every verse.

This is exactly why God never spoke once to Mohammed as other prophets of Old.

Allah has 99 names,
Is the name of the God of Mohammed or you Muslims YHWH?

TenQ:

Here are Buddhists aka Muslims praying

[img]https://buddhism.info/wp-content/s/2019/06/pic1-300x200.jpg[/img]

[img]https://mysakonnakhon.com/wp-content/s/2024/02/Buddhist-Prayer-Beads-with-Monk-1125x798.jpg.webp[/img]

Indeed, if this is how you pray, Buddhists are Muslims


Did you notice how shamelessly you went into the "corrupt bible' to pick on what you thought Jesus taught?
Tell use what Jesus taught!

Unfortunately, we don't even know who ISA is: as definitely Isa cannot be Jesus the Christ!



The Question was: What did Jesus teach about the Holy Spirit?



Did the Trinitarian formula according to you thinking mean God, Son and Holy Spirit!?
OR
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?




So, the simple challenge is for you to find us any sect (even heretic) of Christians who say God is the Third of THREE?


Can't you answer a direct Question!
“If Allah is the third of three, who are the other two?”


How many Iblis exist in the Universe?
Is he not ONE: just as Allah is ONE!?

There is not difference!


Does Allah descend every third part of the Night to the lowest heaven listen to the prayers of you Muslims or not?
Is Allah not on his throne upon the waters which is above the seven heavens or not?

The implication of these two is that Allah is NOT Omnipresent sir!

It is a painful pill to swallow, but is it is the truth



If Islam is a continuation, why do you reject the scriptures of the Jews and Christians?
Why is it that you do NOT know the purpose of the Messiah?
Why is it that you kiss the Blackstone against the law of Moses and Christ Jesus?
Why is it that islam is cascade of lies from the beginning to the end.

Sorry, you want to believe this , but it is a false religion that takes you straight to hell fire!

Islam is an amalgamation of several religions of the Jews, the Christians, the Sabeans, the Meccan Idolaters, the Buddhists etc.


This is exactly why God never spoke once to Mohammed as other prophets of Old.

Allah has 99 names,
Is the name of the God of Mohammed or you Muslims YHWH?

Response to Your Claims and Accusations:

Your message is filled with emotion, ridicule, and a cascade of contradictions. However, let me respond to you not with mockery, but with reason and truth — grounded in facts and not assumptions.

1. Misrepresentation of Muslim Prayer:

You posted images of Buddhists in prayer, implying that because their physical posture may resemble Muslims, they must be the same. This is an elementary fallacy called false equivalence.

Similarity in posture ≠ similarity in belief.

If that logic held, then Jews and Christians who pray by bowing or prostrating — as Jesus did (Matthew 26:39) — would also be called Muslims.

Muslims follow the specific method of prayer taught by the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ through divine instruction — not merely external posture. Intent, belief, and prescribed action define worship in Islam, not superficial resemblance.

2. “Corrupt Bible” – What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

You accuse me of quoting a "corrupt Bible" yet ask me to tell you what Jesus taught — a contradiction.

Muslims believe the original Injīl (Gospel) was revealed to Jesus (ʿĪsā عليه السلام) by God. What exists today in the Bible includes traces of truth, but also clear additions, contradictions, and human alterations, even itted by many Christian scholars.

Jesus, like all prophets, taught pure monotheism:

> “Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is One.” – Mark 12:29

He never said he was God, never called for worship of himself, and never described a Trinity.

3. “Isa is Not Jesus”?

You claim “we don’t even know who Isa is.” This is ignorance of basic linguistics and regional variation.

"Yeshua" is the Hebrew form of Jesus.

"Iesous" is the Greek rendering.

"Isa" is the Arabic rendering.

Names vary across languages. Does calling Jesus “Yeshua” instead of “Jesus” change who he is? Certainly not.

The Qur’an confirms that Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus son of Mary) is the Messiah, born of a virgin, who performed miracles, and will return before the end times — all without being divine.

4. “Is Allah the Third of Three?”

You quote the Qur’an wrongly. Let’s clarify:

> “They have certainly disbelieved who say, ‘Allah is the third of three.’ But there is no deity except one God.” – Qur’an 5:73

This verse refutes Trinitarian doctrine, not because Christians literally say “Allah is the third of three,” but because Christian Trinitarianism affirms:

The Father is God

The Son is God

The Holy Spirit is God

Yet they are not three Gods but one — a contradiction that even Christian theologians it is “a mystery” and logically incoherent.

The Qur’an challenges this idea — that you affirm three distinct persons in “one essence” and still insist it's monotheism. It’s not.

5. “Allah is not Omnipresent?”

This is a misunderstanding of Islamic theology.

Islam teaches:

Allah is not part of creation.

He is not physically “in” the universe, because that would make Him bound by space.

But His knowledge, power, will, and hearing are everywhere.

> “There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.” – Qur’an 42:11

Your assumption that God must be “everywhere in substance” is a Greek philosophical idea, not a prophetic one. The omnipresence of God is about His attributes, not about spatial extension.

6. “Why Do You Reject Jewish and Christian Scriptures?”

Muslims do not reject the original Torah or Gospel — we reject the corrupted versions filled with contradictions and human additions:

Who wrote the Gospels? Anonymous authors.

How many versions of the Bible? Dozens.

Who authorized the canon? Church councils, not prophets.

Islam honors Moses and Jesus, but follows the final revelation: the Qur’an, which is preserved letter for letter since its revelation.

7. “Kissing the Black Stone?”

You bring up the Black Stone without understanding Islamic theology.

Muslims do not worship the Black Stone.

The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ kissed it as a symbolic act, just as Moses was instructed to make the bronze serpent or raise his staff — symbolic obedience.

> "I know you are only a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet kiss you, I would not have kissed you." – Umar ibn al-Khattab (رضي الله عنه)

This is not idolatry. Islam is the strictest monotheistic faith on Earth.

8. “Islam is a Mixture of Other Religions”?

This is not only false but hypocritical. All true religion came from one source: God.

Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus — they all preached submission to One God.

Islam did not copy, but restored the original message that others corrupted.

Christianity itself includes elements borrowed from paganism:

December 25th (pagan solstice festival)

Trinity (modeled after pagan triads)

Eucharist (eating the "body" of God)

So who borrowed from whom?

9. “God Never Spoke to Muhammad”?

God spoke to Muhammad ﷺ through revelation via Jibril (Gabriel) — just as He spoke to other prophets.

The Qur’an remains unchanged, preserved, and recited worldwide with no variations. That is miraculous and unmatched.

10. “Is God’s Name YHWH?”

The name “YHWH” is not pronounced and has no vowels — its pronunciation is uncertain.

God’s name in Hebrew simply means “He Is” or “The Existing One”.

In Aramaic (Jesus’s language), “Elaha” is used — which is strikingly close to Allah.

“Allah” is not a new name. Arab Christians even today use “Allah” in their Bibles. It is the proper name of God in Arabic.

Final Word:

Mockery is not a substitute for truth.

> “Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good speech, and argue with them in the best manner.” – Qur’an 16:125

I invite you to reflect sincerely and step away from slander. You claim to love God — then submit to Him alone, without associating partners with Him. That is the essence of Islam.

If you wish for a sincere dialogue, I welcome it.
If you only seek mockery, then your argument has already failed.

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TenQ:


If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah or Mohammed?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

Kindly answer the following question based on your own theological doctrine:👇

Where did Jesus ever explicitly state that the Holy Spirit is God, or that the Holy Spirit is a person within a triune Godhead?

Please provide a direct and unambiguous statement from Jesus himself, not a later interpretation or theological inference, but a clear declaration in which Jesus defines the Holy Spirit as one of three co-equal, co-eternal persons of a triune deity.

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JimRohn:
Kindly answer the following question based on your own theological doctrine:👇

Where did Jesus ever explicitly state that the Holy Spirit is God, or that the Holy Spirit is a person within a triune Godhead?

Please provide a direct and unambiguous statement from Jesus himself, not a later interpretation or theological inference, but a clear declaration in which Jesus defines the Holy Spirit as one of three co-equal, co-eternal persons of a triune deity.

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Until I know exactly what you mean by the Holy Spirit, there is no moving forward


If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah or Mohammed?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

TenQ:

Until I know exactly what you mean by the Holy Spirit, there is no moving forward


If we are not referring to the SAME Holy Spirit, how can we be on the same page.

Who is the Holy Spirit according to Jesus?
Who is the Holy Spirit according to Allah or Mohammed?

Only then will any answers make any sense and not an exercise in futility!

Thank you for your reply. Your concern for clarity is valid, and I am happy to oblige with definitions to ensure we are speaking on equal .

1. Clarifying the Question

My question is intentionally based on your own Christian theological framework, not Islamic theology. I asked:👇

> Where did Jesus explicitly teach that the Holy Spirit is God, or part of a triune Godhead?

This is a challenge directed within your own doctrine, requesting direct, unequivocal words from Jesus himself — not later theological development or church dogma.

2. Who Is the Holy Spirit in Christianity?

From mainstream Trinitarian doctrine, the Holy Spirit is understood as:

The third person of the Trinity

Co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son

Fully divine and distinct in personhood

If this is your position, then the challenge remains:👇
Did Jesus ever state that the Holy Spirit is divine and part of a triune Godhead?
If so, please provide a direct quote from Jesus — not Paul, not creeds, not post-resurrection interpretations.

3. The Islamic View (For Clarification, Not Debate)

Since you asked: In Islam, the Holy Spirit (Rūḥ al-Qudus) refers to Jibrīl (Gabriel) — the Angel of Revelation. He is a creation of Allah, not a part of divinity. The Qur’an makes clear that:

> “Say: The Holy Spirit has brought it (the Qur’an) down from your Lord in truth…” — Qur’an 16:102

He serves God's commands and is not divine in nature.

However, let us not conflate definitions. The original question asks you to defend the doctrine of the Trinitarian Holy Spirit from the words of Jesus himself — not from Paul, church fathers, or philosophical extrapolations.

4. Conclusion

So to restate the challenge with clarity:👇

> Where did Jesus clearly and unambiguously identify the Holy Spirit as God or as a co-equal person of a triune Godhead?

Let us focus on what Jesus himself said. If your doctrine is truly grounded in his teachings, then this should be straightforward.

I look forward to your evidence-based response.

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Mr JimRohn
As usual, after posting the post was banned with no reason. So. I have scanned it here for you.

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JimRohn:
Why you people refuse to answer this question 👇

Where did Jesus ever say the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being?
Answer: Nowhere.

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did I ever tell you that Jesus ever said that.

Instead of using unrelented questions to dodge relevant questions, just answer you don't know. Instead of doing this

I wish that you truly want to know the truth but I doubt it. Not withstanding, I will answer your questions.

JimRohn:
Thank you for your reply. Your concern for clarity is valid, and I am happy to oblige with definitions to ensure we are speaking on equal .

1. Clarifying the Question

My question is intentionally based on your own Christian theological framework, not Islamic theology. I asked:👇

> Where did Jesus explicitly teach that the Holy Spirit is God, or part of a triune Godhead?

This is a challenge directed within your own doctrine, requesting direct, unequivocal words from Jesus himself — not later theological development or church dogma.

Jesus does not explicitly teach in the Gospels that the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune Godhead in a direct, systematic statement.

It was taken for granted as all Jews know who the Holy Spirit is as the Manifest Presence of God.

Let's look at what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit.
1. All manner of sin has forgiveness BUT the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness either in this world or in the next
Matthew
Mat 12:31-32
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

I don't know in Islam if sins are against God or against Angels.
Can you tell me if you know anyone who had committed sin against Jibril or any Angel before?

2. Jesus command Baptism of Believers in the Name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Mat 28:19:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"


Is it halal to associate the name of Jibril with Allah?

JimRohn:

2. Who Is the Holy Spirit in Christianity?
From mainstream Trinitarian doctrine, the Holy Spirit is understood as:
The third person of the Trinity
Co-equal and co-eternal with the Father and the Son
Fully divine and distinct in personhood
If this is your position, then the challenge remains:👇
Did Jesus ever state that the Holy Spirit is divine and part of a triune Godhead?
If so, please provide a direct quote from Jesus — not Paul, not creeds, not post-resurrection interpretations.

Sorry to disappoint you. The Holy Spirit is not from the New Testament BUT from the Old Testament.
And, you have no single right to limit me to what text I can or cannot quote from my bible. Do you think it makes sense if I tell you not to quote verses revealed in Medina for me?
1. The Holy Spirit was part of Creation.
Gen 1:2:
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters."


Job 26:13:
"By his spirit he has garnished the heavens; his hand has formed the crooked serpent."


In Islam, was Jibril part of creating the universe?

3. The Holy Spirit is directly called God
In Acts 5:3-4, Peter says that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God, equating the Spirit with God

Acts 5:3-4:
"But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God."

4. The Holy Spirit possesses divine attributes:
The Spirit is eternal, omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-, omniscient (1 Corinthians 2:10-11), and omnipotent, all traits unique to God.

Do you think Angel Gabriel or Jibril has any of these attributes?


5. The Holy Spirit performs divine works:
Creation (Job 33:4), giving life (John 6:63; Romans 8:11), inspiring prophecy (2 Peter 1:21), and sanctifying believers are acts of God attributed to the Spirit

Do you think Angel Gabriel or Jibril has any of these attributes?

JimRohn:

3. The Islamic View (For Clarification, Not Debate)

Since you asked: In Islam, the Holy Spirit (Rūḥ al-Qudus) refers to Jibrīl (Gabriel) — the Angel of Revelation. He is a creation of Allah, not a part of divinity. The Qur’an makes clear that:

> “Say: The Holy Spirit has brought it (the Qur’an) down from your Lord in truth…” — Qur’an 16:102

He serves God's commands and is not divine in nature.

However, let us not conflate definitions. The original question asks you to defend the doctrine of the Trinitarian Holy Spirit from the words of Jesus himself — not from Paul, church fathers, or philosophical extrapolations.

4. Conclusion

So to restate the challenge with clarity:👇

> Where did Jesus clearly and unambiguously identify the Holy Spirit as God or as a co-equal person of a triune Godhead?

Let us focus on what Jesus himself said. If your doctrine is truly grounded in his teachings, then this should be straightforward.

I look forward to your evidence-based response.

But
1. There is not a single verse of the Qur'an that calls Jibril the Holy Spirit. If there is, please show me!
2. There is a theological problem in Islam as there is a confusion of what a spirit is
A. Is it untrue that Jesus is a SPIRIT from Allah in the Qur'an and no other human being is called a spirit by Allah?
B. Is it untrue that Allah breathe of his spirit into Adam? The implication is gross. Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?
C. Islam doesn't even know what a Spirit is: if you know, please tell me!


You have no explanation

gohf:
did I ever tell you that Jesus ever said that.

Instead of using unrelented questions to dodge relevant questions, just answer you don't know. Instead of doing this

Thank you for your honesty in acknowledging that Jesus never explicitly said the Holy Spirit is God or that God is a triune being. This is precisely the point I am raising.

From an Islamic perspective, we affirm that true monotheism (Tawheed) must be based on clear, unambiguous teachings from God's messengers. If the doctrine of the Trinity—which defines God as three co-equal, co-eternal persons—is such a fundamental tenet of Christian faith, then it is reasonable to ask for explicit statements from Jesus himself affirming this.

If Jesus never said that the Holy Spirit is God or that God is a triune being, then the formulation of the Trinity appears to be a later theological development, not a direct teaching of Christ. That raises an important question: should central doctrines about God's nature be based on theological interpretation, or on the direct, clear words of God's prophets?

As Muslims, we respect Jesus as a prophet and messenger of God, and we follow what he clearly taught: the worship of the One true God. If he never claimed divinity for the Holy Spirit or described God as triune, then we have every reason to remain with the pure monotheism he preached.

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NairaLTQ:
I wish that you truly want to know the truth but I doubt it. Not withstanding, I will answer your questions.


Jesus does not explicitly teach in the Gospels that the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune Godhead in a direct, systematic statement.

It was taken for granted as all Jews know who the Holy Spirit is as the Manifest Presence of God.

Let's look at what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit.
1. All manner of sin has forgiveness BUT the Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit has no forgiveness either in this world or in the next
Matthew
Mat 12:31-32
"Why I say to you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whoever speaks against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

I don't know in Islam if sins are against God or against Angels.
Can you tell me if you know anyone who had committed sin against Jibril or any Angel before?

2. Jesus command Baptism of Believers in the Name (singular) of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Mat 28:19:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"


Is it halal to associate the name of Jibril with Allah?


Sorry to disappoint you. The Holy Spirit is not from the New Testament BUT from the Old Testament.
And, you have no single right to limit me to what text I can or cannot quote from my bible. Do you think it makes sense if I tell you not to quote verses revealed in Medina for me?
1. The Holy Spirit was part of Creation.
Gen 1:2:
"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved on the face of the waters."


Job 26:13:
"By his spirit he has garnished the heavens; his hand has formed the crooked serpent."


In Islam, was Jibril part of creating the universe?

3. The Holy Spirit is directly called God
In Acts 5:3-4, Peter says that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God, equating the Spirit with God

Acts 5:3-4:
"But Peter said, Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not your own? and after it was sold, was it not in your own power? why have you conceived this thing in your heart? you have not lied to men, but to God."

4. The Holy Spirit possesses divine attributes:
The Spirit is eternal, omnipresent (Psalm 139:7-, omniscient (1 Corinthians 2:10-11), and omnipotent, all traits unique to God.

Do you think Angel Gabriel or Jibril has any of these attributes?


5. The Holy Spirit performs divine works:
Creation (Job 33:4), giving life (John 6:63; Romans 8:11), inspiring prophecy (2 Peter 1:21), and sanctifying believers are acts of God attributed to the Spirit

Do you think Angel Gabriel or Jibril has any of these attributes?


But
1. There is not a single verse of the Qur'an that calls Jibril the Holy Spirit. If there is, please show me!
2. There is a theological problem in Islam as there is a confusion of what a spirit is
A. Is it untrue that Jesus is a SPIRIT from Allah in the Qur'an and no other human being is called a spirit by Allah?
B. Is it untrue that Allah breathe of his spirit into Adam? The implication is gross. Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?
C. Islam doesn't even know what a Spirit is: if you know, please tell me!


You have no explanation

Thank you for your detailed reply. I appreciate the time and thought you've put into engaging with my original question. Allow me to respond in a structured and respectful manner, maintaining focus on the core issue: what did Jesus himself clearly and explicitly teach about the divinity of the Holy Spirit?

1. Clarifying the Scope of the Question

You it that:

> "Jesus does not explicitly teach in the Gospels that the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune Godhead in a direct, systematic statement."

I appreciate this honesty. It effectively concedes the central point of my question. If Jesus—according to the Gospels—never explicitly taught the doctrine of the Holy Spirit as divine or as part of a triune Godhead, then this remains a theological inference, not a direct teaching from Jesus.

As a Muslim, I find it essential that something as foundational as God's nature should be taught unambiguously by God's messenger. Ambiguity or reliance on later interpretation invites doctrinal confusion.

2. Responding to the Verses You Cited

Let me briefly address the specific ages you've raised:

Matthew 12:31–32 – Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit

This age demonstrates that the Holy Spirit is honored, but being honored or protected from a particular sin does not make one God. In the same Bible, you will find that prophets, the Ark of the Covenant, and even the Temple were treated with exceptional reverence—yet none of these are considered divine.

Furthermore, sinning against God's appointed messengers is serious, but it does not imply the messenger is divine. Islam, for example, holds that disrespecting Prophet Muhammad ﷺ is a grave sin, but this does not make him divine.

Matthew 28:19 – “In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit”

This verse is often used to Trinitarian doctrine. However:

It still does not state that these three are one being or co-equal in divinity.

Saying "in the name of..." does not logically equate all the entities mentioned. For example, authority can be invoked in the name of a king, his general, and his law, without implying they are ontologically equal.

Notably, this verse does not come from Jesus during his ministry, but from a post-resurrection . Many biblical scholars also question the authenticity of this specific formula, as it is absent from earlier Christian baptismal practices (e.g., Acts 2:38).

Genesis 1:2 and Job 26:13 – Spirit of God in the Old Testament

The Hebrew term ruach simply means “breath,” “wind,” or “spirit.” Saying “the Spirit of God moved upon the waters” does not mean this “spirit” is a separate, co-equal person of God. Jews reading the Old Testament for millennia never interpreted these verses as describing a divine person distinct from the Father.

Acts 5:3–4 – Lying to the Holy Spirit is Lying to God

Respectfully, this is Peter speaking—not Jesus. As noted earlier, I am asking for Jesus’ own teachings, not later apostolic interpretations. Even if Peter believed this, it still does not resolve the fact that Jesus never articulated the Trinity or the divinity of the Holy Spirit himself.

Also, in biblical language, to offend or lie to someone bearing God's authority (like a prophet or messenger) could be equated with lying to God—because they act on His behalf.

3. Attributes and Functions: Divine by Nature or Delegation?

You cited the Holy Spirit as possessing divine attributes like omniscience and omnipotence. However:

These traits are attributed to the Spirit, not necessarily inherent to it. Scripture often uses metaphorical or functional language.

In Islam, we affirm that God can delegate powers to His messengers or angels. For example, Gabriel conveys divine revelation and knowledge—not because he is divine, but because he is entrusted with divine tasks.

To use functional roles (such as inspiring prophets or giving life) to prove ontological divinity is a theological assumption, not a textual certainty.

4. On the Isamic View of the Holy Spirit

You asked:

> “Is there a single verse that calls Jibril the Holy Spirit?”

Yes. The Qur’an refers to Jibril (Gabriel) as the Holy Spirit (Rūḥ al-Qudus) in several places:

> “Say, the Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord in truth.”
— Surah An-Nahl 16:102

Also:

> “We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear signs and ed him with the Holy Spirit.”
— Surah Al-Baqarah 2:87

These and other verses link the "Holy Spirit" with Jibril. In Islamic theology, this is not a confusion but a clarification: the "Rūḥ al-Qudus" is not a part of God, but a created being who conveys revelation.

Regarding your question on “Allah breathing into Adam,” the phrase "My Spirit" is an honorific expression, not a literal part of God. This is classical Arabic usage—just as the Ka‘bah is called “My House”, but no one believes God lives inside it.

5. On Jesus Being a Spirit from God

Yes, the Qur’an refers to Jesus as “a spirit from Him”, meaning he was created by God's command—“Be” (kun)—not that he is divine. It’s a special designation reflecting honor, not divinity. The same Qur’an repeatedly and explicitly denies Jesus’ divinity (e.g., 5:72, 4:171).

6. Conclusion

The bottom line remains:

You have acknowledged that Jesus never explicitly stated that the Holy Spirit is God or part of a triune being.

All other references you provided are interpretations, inferences, or statements from others — not the words of Jesus himself.

As a Muslim, I believe that the nature of God must be taught clearly and directly by His chosen messengers. If Jesus never taught the Trinity or the divinity of the Holy Spirit, then that doctrine does not come from him, but from others after him.

I invite you, with sincerity, to reconsider whether Jesus truly taught the theology that later became formalized in Church councils, or whether he consistently taught the worship of the One, indivisible God — as did all prophets before him.

Let us continue this dialogue with mutual respect and pursuit of truth.

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