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Iran'sKhamenei Rejects US Nuclear Deal Proposal, Vows To Keep Enriching Uranium (8393 Views)
Danadda06: 1:31pm On Jun 05 |
Most he be a Muslim to say the truth?
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Chienex24(m): 1:55pm On Jun 05 |
Moniya4Real: The USA are obviously 100 times the lesser evil. Russia did what they did without being the world power. Now imagine if they were the world power. Russia invaded the aforementioned countries without any threat to their existence but to consolidate power. As bad as USA might be, they have helped rescued nations from enemies since time immemorial, from the ist world war, through the 2nd, rescuing Kuwait from being conquered by Iraq, rescuing south Korea, etc. , recovered rapidly from the second world war and are currently among the top world economies due to US . China is a super power now because of USA, coupled with large US industrial investment while they currently have the largest number of students studying in US Institutions. So USA has helped the world economies far more than they have destroyed, not forgetting the famous USAID that has ed developing economies since ages through grants and aids. For example in sectors such as health, reducing the cost of HIV/AIDS drugs have helped patients get these drugs for free, plus many other examples. So I dare say yes, USA is by far 100x better and a much lesser evil than Russia, and China combined |
Moniya4Real(m): 4:32pm On Jun 05 |
Abel rest bro. They are all the same, it’s because you like them -period. Chienex24: |
Chienex24(m): 5:27pm On Jun 05 |
Moniya4Real: Don't like them, just facts, period. |
Moveittothem: 6:38pm On Jun 05 |
Qadaffi2idiamin: If Iran arms, middle East will stabilize. |
Moveittothem: 6:39pm On Jun 05 |
Qadaffi2idiamin: Focus on other areas like watching children getting killed daily by war offenders? That's would be fun isn't it |
Moveittothem: 6:42pm On Jun 05 |
MadamExcellency: It's not the same. Jerusalem was either under siege or under Israel. Iran is a independent country. If US attacks them, it would be too costly. |
Moveittothem: 6:43pm On Jun 05 |
huptin: Israel can go hard if they want, but if they attack Iran it would be too costly for them. Iran fired missile into Israel last year, Israel was scared to retaliate for more than 5 days, while they were begging us to them are respond to Iran. |
Moveittothem: 6:47pm On Jun 05 |
mobisonkk2: They can't even fight Hamas in a fair fight I'm pro Israel BTW |
Moveittothem: 6:48pm On Jun 05 |
Skydivine: Their supreme leader said they would continue with their program whether the US likes it or not.. So what USA or Israel do now? |
huptin(m): 3:49am On Jun 06 |
Moveittothem: 5 days is too short to call it afraid, its called preparation...strategies had to be fine tuned, rehearsals had to be done, cabinet had to meet to approve, the pin point accuracy of tbe response was so ingenious that even Ayatollah itted to being surprised at its far reaching consequences, so 5 days to do all that is not fear at all, it infect showed that Isreal had been preparing all this while. Flying over 5 Arabian countries including IRAQ to reach Iran, to dominate their airspace for hours, requires extensive practice, this was not a missile throwing exercise, this was a sophisticated air raid and none of the pilot died, no plane was lost...come on. 1 Like |
Moveittothem: 8:10am On Jun 06 |
huptin: So Iran doesn't have air defense system? Alright. Israel is legit wary of Iran, at least they planned before they attacked. If it were another country, they respond almost immediately and continuously. For them to even consult America and even pleaded with them to them in the t task force to hit back at Iran. America agreed, their pilots and fighter jets participated. If America had declined, Israel would almost not hit back, but may attack a target outside Iran. |
huptin(m): 12:25pm On Jun 06 |
Moveittothem: Nobody will hit back immediately, its not that easy, it took Russia 3 weeks before invading Ukraine, even when Hamas attacked Isreal it took a whole week to invade. War is not easy, logistics has to be fully thought out. Iran's air defenses were hit, to prepare the ground for full war, if Iran decide to send missiles again to Isreal. Isreal was clear about that, throw another missile we attack in full force, Ayatollah Khomeini ordered the immediate cessation of tit for tat with Isreal after accessing the damage done to its air defenses. As it is Iran has not been this weak for decades, its air defenses terribly damaged, its proxies totally in disarray from Hezbollah to Hamas, to Syria, apart from the Houthis none of its proxy is in a fighting shape, add that to the terrible condition of Iran's economy...it would be suicidal to fight Isreal now, Ayatollah"s regime would surely not survive it. Why is Anerica hesitant to attack Iran, Saudi Arabia and other allies can be hit by Iranian missiles, Iran hit Saudi's oil fields in tne past, and Iran has made it clear that Saudi and other American allies will be deemed legitimate target if America hit. That's all! 1 Like |
broIZ: 3:31pm On Jun 06 |
Chienex24: You are a victim of western propaganda if you think Israel has never initiated any war. Iran attacked Israel with ICBM? please when did that happen? I don't even think Iran possess ICBM. Also do you think anyone can just use nuclear weapons in war? Israel has upper hand? well unless you mean the upper hand is the mighty US. Israel is nothing without the US. Also I don't want Israel to fall. and I neither Iran. |
Moveittothem: 3:32pm On Jun 06 |
huptin: Iran wasn't planning a full blown war with Israel, they only wanted to send a message and it was delivered. Until they have enriched their uranium to weapon grade level would they consider an all out war. They know Israel has nukes, and even if they win conventionally, Israel would most likely smoke them because there would be no threat of Iran firing back a warhead. Secondly, their major ally (Russia) is at war, the same reason Assad was ousted because Putin can't leave Ukrainian fronts to defend Assad. So it wouldn't be on the interest of Iran to enter a full blown war with Israel, knowing USA would fight for Israel, not just ing them. Israeli aircrafts didn't go on a one way trip to Iran, they mobilized in American airbase in Iraq/jordan. It was a t task force. If USA said no, fear won't let Israel attack Iran mainland. Iran is legit scared of America. 1 Like |
huptin(m): 6:45pm On Jun 06 |
Moveittothem: This is exactly why Isreal will do everything to ensure Iran doesn't have nukes. If it does, Iran will become uncontrollable plus Saudi and Turkey will get theirs, any little spark the middle east becomes history. America does not exactly like lsreal, it is only wary of Israel's Samson option. ISREAL has made it clear that there will be no middle east without Isreal. I am sure you know exactly what that means. Also Russia is both an ally to Isreal and Iran, Russia just recently cozied up to Iran to spite America, amongst the Top oligarchs in Russia are many jews, the accuracy at which all the Russian made air defence was taken out by Isreal betrayed the fact that Russia itself might not be as trust worthy as Iran thought. That's why since last year Iran has been heavily training it's own local scientists and rebuilding and repairing of its air defences especially after the success of its missile program. I doubt Russia will fight Isreal on behalf of Iran, Russia gains by far more from Israel than Iran and officially both countries are still allies. 2 Likes |
Moveittothem: 8:11pm On Jun 06 |
huptin: Even if Russia wouldn't fight Israel on behalf of Iran, they would likely give Iran almost anything apart from nukes to defend herself. Iran's allegiance with Russia is currently stronger than that Israel have with Russia. Israeli crafts flew into Iran within low altitude, with over 30 f-35 stealth fighters. It would be hard for their defense system to detect those fighters easily. As a matter of fact, the air defences were attacked before they could even detect anything. That's why Russia is paranoid to have Ukraine NATO, because stationing a base or a silo in the Donbass region would be catastrophic for Russia, just like it happened to Iran. Russia s-300 defense system is reliable, but we are talking about America here. It's not that Russia isn't a trustworthy ally. Again, what would Israel do if Iran continues enriching uranium? They can only watch the way USA watched NK became nuclear power. |
DLifeless1: 8:16pm On Jun 06 |
Danadda06: Why defensive, there is nothing like truth about islam, you know that hence your defensive posture, or is my assertion false? |
huptin(m): 12:11am On Jun 07 |
Moveittothem: Well Netanyahu is confident they can really destroy the Nuclear capability of Iran. Its difficult to not believe him. that Aysyollah said that even top echelons of his most trusted security apparatus have been infiltrated by Mossad. For instance, how likely would it have been that Isreal would be able to Kill Haniyeh, right under the very nose of the IRGC? I still say if Iran depends on Russia, it will be disappointed. A huge part of the current Russian decision makers and scientists are jews, the jews have so much infiltrated Europe that it will be a miracle if all the secrets of Russian made weapons ,even the ones not yet supplied are not already in the hands of Isreal security forces. even the US have been deceived several times by Isreal, and the Jewish lobbyists are currently the most powerful bloc even in the US. Iran depending on any European or western country to fight Isreal would be akin to dining directly with the devil. 1 Like |
Moveittothem: 1:11pm On Jun 07 |
huptin: Well, Iran is not depending on Russia, if so, they wouldn't be seeking to acquire their own nukes. They are just seeing Russia as an ally, not a protector. Since Ayatollahs have vowed to continue enriching uranium, and that the USA don't have the right to tell them what to do, let's see what Israel will do about it. Israel has the right to defend itself, that's why they are killing babies in Gaza saying that hamas are using them as shield. Blockading foods and aides for the children not to eat and die, hamas are using the babies stomachs as shield too. Let them attack Iran nuclear facility, let's see the reason they would give. A very serious war that USA are not even ready for would break out in middle East. And the EU are sick of Israel, allegiance is changing. I'm pro Israel anyway, but their approach is flawed. Gaza is not far, let their soldiers march in with tanks and assault rifles, instead of bombing kids with jets, that's cowardice and recklessness. |
huptin(m): 2:25pm On Jun 07 |
Moveittothem: i am not very satisfied with what is happening in Gaza, infact it would seem Isreal's plan is the total annexation of that enclave. But you dont tell a victim how to react. Hamas entered isreal and took hostages, as far as it has Isreal's hostage with it, Isreal also have every right to stay there and use every means to get them back. Simple. If Hamas hands over the hostage today, The whole world will ask Isreal what else does he want? You don't enter a place where the expected combatants are nowhere to be seen, hiding among civillians, under hospitals, schools tunnels every where, it will be a stupid waste of time and Human lives. If Hamas comes out today to fight as men, I am sure Isreal will be too happy to engage them, but only wicked men invite war into their land and start hiding in hospitals and among civillians. If Hamas had come to fight, the war would not last this long, either they get defeated or they defeat Isreal simple. Thats how men fight. As for war in the middle east, this seems inevitable, either way if Iran acquires nukes or not, it will happen. But its better it happens without an Iranian nuke. Today Iran is weak, its economy is battered, Russia is struggling with Ukraine, even if Russia can help, it wont, simply because there is nothing Iran can offer it in of value, Isreal has a lot more to offer, technlogy wise, in financial , Isreal is a lot richer, today no one will risk a dime on Iran, it is absolutely on its knees. But if the regime of Ayatollah falls, the biggest problem will be that like Iraq, Iran will quickly become a terrorist enclave with unending wars and strife, this is what nobody wants, but definitely it is better for the war to happen now than when Iran becomes nuclear armed. |
Moveittothem: 3:28pm On Jun 07 |
huptin: In every war there is always a victim, but war crime is war crime. A victim doesn't reserve the right to react with war crimes, UN know this, so does Israel. That you are a victim of crime doesn't give one the right to take laws into their hands. Why did Israel renegade the ceasefire deal and started firing again, even when there was a peaceful path of exchanging prisoners? If Hamas are actually hiding amongst civilians like Israel is portraying it, why was Sinwar killed in a lone building instead of under a hospital or where Israeli captives are? As a high profile member of Hamas, should he be that exposed to getting killed in an abandoned area? Israel aren't the victims, they are overreacting. Israel cannot attack Iran alone unless USA agrees, and I doubt they are ready for such now. Iran is too dull, Kim jun Un would have done a better job. Iran would become nuclear power eventually. |
huptin(m): 12:45pm On Jun 08 |
Moveittothem: Mohammed Sinwar, his brother was killed under a hospital! What was he, the head of Hamas doing hiding in a lone building, when he should be leading his army to chase out an occupation army? The truth is, Hamas has been hiding everywhere not facing the fight they invited. As for whether Iran will develop nukes eventually, we will watch and see. 1 Like |
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